Argo vs. Max vs. ?

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  1. #11
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    This should explain what an open differential is a little better.......

    What is a differential?
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    Leg room in the Max II is more comfortable than the Argo or Max IV. It is not nose heavy and not as prone to do an endo as the six wheel front engine machine with hydraulic brakes.

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    Simple is somtimes better

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger S View Post
    The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

    Simplicity is sometimes the best and most reliable way to go


    I am interested in that Hoot I saw on here. I wonder what they sell for

    http://www.6x6world.com/forums/other...hoot-aatv.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger S View Post
    The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"


    Robbie, open differential doesn't mean that the parts are exposed. It is a system that puts power to the wheels with the least resistance just like many automobiles. The opposite of open differential is a locked (or sometimes limited slip) differential where both sides get equal power.

    If your Argo is stuck in the mud on one side and on solid ground on the other, without any input from you other than throttle, the tires in the mud would get all the power since they have the least resistance.

    In the T20's case, it acts as two separate transmissions. You could apply power to either side that you choose.

    there are of course other factors to consider but hopefully that explains it a little more?

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    Ok I was off on the terminology

    I though open was all parts exposed not limited slip or posy

    Really the Argo is a slip type? Maybe I should add left and right independent braking
    Last edited by Robio_8x8; 01-22-2008 at 04:14 PM.
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    Jerry was talking about the maxII seating over the argo.. yes you can kick your feet out in front, but I found that posture put all the bump on my behind. Then if I pulled my feet up under me, the short seat to floor distance had my knees up in the air. I guess a good solo seat would be comfortable. And a couple guys rebuilt their seat and backs with dense foam I found, that helped a lot.

    The argo seating looks impossible when you look at it. But it has a more comfortable floor to seat height, I can stick my boots in the corners to brace and let my legs take some of the road shock, little that I have compared to any other machine. Also the argo dash should be padded, as your knees need to slide up against them sometimes.

    I'm not saying I'll turn anyone down if they let me drive their max!! I had to take a spin in Brandon's II at the last ride just for fun, after pushing my argo around the tight trails all weekend.
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    ok I'm trying to figure this out, If the MAX t20 transmision why is there so meny how to fix the t20 threads? and why would ya make a trans
    that cuts the power to the wheels that are on the inside of the turn, must be so that vehical can turn easyer. So fare ever time i hit a sand bar or tree stump under the water that side keeps going couseing the argo to pull to the side of the traction not the wheel on the free side to just spin. the dealer did tell me that the argo was a two speed auto trans but looking at the trans part assmbley manual I do not see eny plungers or clutch plates to shift the gear auto matic when it hit a shift point. Of course I havent figured out how it know when I'm going over 23 mph and will not let me go faster down hill.

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    The main problem with the T20 is leaking seals. After years of sitting without lubrication the seals, especially the plunger seals will dry out and start to leak. If you don't check the fluid when this starts happening and keep it at the proper level then that's when damage is done. So I would say that it's more of a lack of maintenance than a flawed design that usually causes failure.

    I think when your dealer said that you have a two speed auto trans he meant that you can choose between high or low gear. The automatic comes into play when you throw in the variable speed clutches.
    Last edited by Mike; 01-22-2008 at 11:20 PM.

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    The reason there are probably all of the threads on T-20s is due to the fact that there have been so many of these units sold since 1969. So many more than the Argos produced over the years. Also the T-20 came in many different machines, therefore if there are more machines that had the T-20 then there are going to be more units out there. Over many years the seals will become worn and leak slowly. Mike is absolutely right, it is not a design flaw what so ever. They are cheap and easy to repair. It is just routine maintainence......every mechanical piece of equipment will need it at somepoint. The other thing that sometimes happens is the little shifter pin can break if you shift too hard. I never had it happen in all of the machines I've owned over the years, but it can happen. Again, a very quick, easy, inexpensive repair. I've taken many T-20s apart that were 35+ years old and they are still like brand new inside. Borg Warner must have spent lots of money on the R&D of them, and they are certainly built well since they have been relatively unchanged for this long.
    Last edited by jpswift1; 01-22-2008 at 11:26 PM.
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    More then Argo?

    Argos are the most popular AATV and have been for the longest time. Possible because I grew up in Ontario but from what I see evening my travels weather you guys thing Argos are good or not they are like the Coke a cola of this type of vehicle. Even when I went to Australia I got a tour on an Argo. It is the Kleenex Tissue of AATVs and has been for decades. One of the selling features of the Argo is the low impact it has on the environment. The T-20 rips up the grass and or its own tires when it turns. Argos have out sold all the other brands 10 fold. Max has been its only long term competitor.
    When I see ads of any other brands they say it is like an Argo or an Argo type vehicle so others know what the hell it is
    Last edited by Robio_8x8; 01-23-2008 at 12:04 AM.
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