edit: jerseybigfoot posted while I was typing..
The 8 wheel avenger was the first argo to have lower center axles.. the 4 middle axles are 1" lower on centerline. Reason is to reduce traction for easier steering effort. Being front heavy, it tilts forward, weight centered basically near the second axle, the rear wheels slightly off the ground, if on a flat and level slab. So turning effort is about like a six wheeler. Or if loaded in the back the pivot center will shift.. but regardless there usually aren't 8 wheels to skid. I did this to my older Response, redrilled and bored the frame and lowered the axles a 1/2".
The parts diagram for the new Frontier 6 wheeler's frame is drawn with lowered holes in the center axles. An argo dealer said the factory considered doing that but the final product did not have it, so it may be just a printing error. All of the older argos like bigfoots, vanguards, response, conquest have level axle centerlines.
Handling problems? front heavy, touchy brakes, and non beadlock wheels/ high psi for rough ride/poor control at speed of the pre Frontier 6 wheelers. The stretched wheelbase and soft tires on the Frontier, along with a 23 hp and a quiet helical gear trans is a long way from your friend's argo. Al James went from his maxII 23 kohler to a frontier and said he didn't miss the II at all.
But unless you beat the steering effort into submission with horsepower, argo's are a dog to turn. You can do the 360 you're talking about, but you have to get the belt engaged first, just for a split second. Get the differential in motion. But that is what I consider the worst about the argo, not that it's an open diff, but that in the 360 with one side locked, the gear ratio to the other side is doubled. Something like the Frontier it's not a concern.. my 8 wheeler stock with taller agressive tires.. that was no fun to turn.
Last edited by Roger S; 01-24-2008 at 12:58 AM.
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