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yea ...many of us are older folks and have had machines and ridden many years . i think without a new u.s manufacturer of aatv's and advertising , most of the young folks want fast atv's and side by sides . plus maybe they have seen how much maintenance these can take compared to other offroaders . my neighbors buddy came by the other day with a brand new side by side that was almost a jeep ! but i really still enjoy the sharing that is on here . it's like airplane people who '' hanger fly '' . jboy va.