I really had to work at it.... was quite surprised but I think they have too much slack.... I put more air in the corner tires...see what happens nowOriginally Posted by amphibious drew
I am actually having fun seeing how bad I can get stuck.... My creek is about 15 feet wide, 4 feet deep (mostly) and has banks that are muddy...at least its on my property so If I have to leave it, it should be safe
Glad you're still having fun! High resistance to "driving out". Nothing is impossible, nor have I ever run the shallow guide angle of the channel track, but I have a couple thoughts... I can think of one situation that can pull a track off any machine. Which side (track) had problems? Were you able to back out finally with only one track on? Thanks JJort
Last edited by Buzz; 04-11-2014 at 09:02 PM.
The left hand side came off. It took me quite a while to get out..I am pretty sure it was because of the track tuners. I had to hit the brake on the left side and pivot around with the track which of course put me parallel to the bank and then lost traction. maneuverability was very difficult both in and out of the water. lifting the mud filled track into the argo was quite a chore too. At least I didnt have to winch out this time
Sounds like maybe the left was the uphill side that was straddled up over the bank edge? ...and maybe the other side was down in the water? Also, did your machine turn or skid that high side off the bank edge? This might help others know what to try to avoid anyway or when/how to be careful.
Less track slack would help, I know during testing with loose tracks, I've had success starting to "pull" a track off when the high side is up over a ledge....and I'm working down the bank, trying to get the low side to turn up the bank....which drags the uphill track back down over the edge. Of course w/o any real weight on it and the bank edge providing resistance, the track will try to pull off.
Going tighter will help, or in the case of a loose track (flat tire) just be careful...you can usually reverse your tires from driving on the belting back down into the track guides very easily.
I don't know if that's at all what happened to you, but maybe it will help if nothing else. Thanks for any input, and we look forward to more video!
Last edited by Buzz; 04-11-2014 at 09:00 PM.
When you have a mismatch between tire and crosser You will walk out of any track. The tire has got to provide a fairly flat surface so the crossers can distribute the weight across the tire evenly. If you do not have that, of course the crosser is going to want to twist as you put force to the outside edge of the track, and if the track is loose. It will walk off the tire.
The big problem is to have a track system set up right you need two sets of tires. One set for the tracks and one set for summer use that will be a more rounded tire. Even the Adair tracks should have a fairly flat tread and the curvature of the crosser should match the tire. In doing so you will not have a problem of the track wanting to walk off the tire.
Lets put it this way, all season tires are good for all year round. BUT they cannot replace a good winter tire. And you would not run that good winter tire in the summer.[IMG][/IMG]
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You can see the difference here.
Sorry I tried to repost jjorts photo of his tire and track but it did not come through. But If you go back in the posts you will find it and you can see the difference in how the crossers fit the tires. I would say there is where the problem lies
Last edited by Old Tucker; 04-11-2014 at 11:11 PM.
it does look like jjorts tracks have a lot of extra room on either side of the sidewalls, which is primarily going to allow the track to move side to side (the main concern is getting close to the tub)....so I would be concerned primarily about belt/tub clearance. But my opinion is that with adequate track tension, they should still work just fine, and he should have no issues with walking out of the tracks. This doesn't sound like one of those scenarios. The channel guide area is very shallow, but it's not that big of a deal. Anytime you drag/skid/roll an unweighted track over a ledge, it can easily get pulled off. It's one of the "watch-out" scenarios. It usually has to be a very steep bank that you are straddling if that makes sense. But a little slop side to side in a channel crosser shouldn't cause big problems other than the track moving closer to the tub.
I'm with Old Tucker- A wider tire would be more preferential (and it would prevent some rocking), but don't feel obligated jjort to go change out your tires. If I'm understanding you correctly, I am fairly certain as to why you got to throw one of your tracks in the back of your machine...sorry man!
Last edited by Buzz; 04-11-2014 at 11:39 PM.
Buzz Your right, With adequate track tension they may still work fine. It may just take a little more playing around to get things just right. The sideways movement of the track mite be a little concerning. But if its not hitting the tub jjort may be ok.
I don't have a lot of experience with a really shallow guide-radius like that.... I know the guides won't move or tilt on that channel track, but the tires are definitely a bit sloppy width-wise.
if you can walk out of those tracks by just pissing around in a mung hole,i would imagine that a bad wheel bearing would spell disaster.
If I get a chance later today, I will set up the gopro, put on my chest waders, load up my 3 foot winch picket and try to recreate the walking out of the track.
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