New Type of Tracks - Chanel Tracks

[North Country Tough]

Probably a little larger rear would have helped rodp,but I wonder if it might have been the sand piling under the track section,no matter the things I have seen those fellas put them thru I have no question of the durability of this style track system at this point what I have seen goes well beyond anything I will ever put them thru.NCT

[Moosetalker]

Really loving all the options we have for tracks now.
Would love to see these tracks in deep snow and a floodwater slush scenario. We have had to deal with this since early January on our lakes.

Just wondering if running 2 kinds of tires with tracks would make any sense. Say ones more likely to slip being a larger diameter for the center 4.
The 2 ply rating on runamuks as opposed to 4 ply on a K300 rigidity difference .

Looking at the video qusqus posted I would say Marcel has Carlyle Stykers on his Conquest.They are listed as a belted tire no ply rating given on the website. Quite heavy at 21 lbs each as well I would guess from looking at the other types of tires they offer they have a Turf tire carcass.
The Dominator K300 22x111-8are 16 lbs each 4 ply. Same as the Carlyle turf tamers 22.5x10-8

[Old Tucker]

Really loving all the options we have for tracks now.
Would love to see these tracks in deep snow and a floodwater slush scenario. We have had to deal with this since early January on our lakes.

Just wondering if running 2 kinds of tires with tracks would make any sense. Say ones more likely to slip being a larger diameter for the center 4.
The 2 ply rating on runamuks as opposed to 4 ply on a K300 rigidity difference .

Looking at the video qusqus posted I would say Marcel has Carlyle Stykers on his Conquest.They are listed as a belted tire no ply rating given on the website. Quite heavy at 21 lbs each as well I would guess from looking at the other types of tires they offer they have a Turf tire carcass.
The Dominator K300 22x111-8are 16 lbs each 4 ply. Same as the Carlyle turf tamers 22.5x10-8

It is nice to have a good pick on track all right The way they beet on there tracks It makes me look like I baby mine.
As for tires to run in the channel track I had three chooses I picked
One was the Duro Brim rider 22x11x8
Two was the dominator k300 22x11x8
third was the Carlyle turf tamer 22.5x11x8 But you can not get it in a 11 inch wide tire. It would of made a good mid tire. And the duro brim rider tire, The suppliers said it would be 60 to 90 days before they had them in. So it was the dominator I went for. All the tires have the knobs go straight across the tire for good contact with the Cleats. The v shaped tread on the AT101 carlisle only touches the cleats in a very small area If you look at the photos. There will be no slippage or very little with the dominator k300 Or that type of tread on your tire.

[brebett]

I wonder why every body put smaller tire with tracks. Is it because of loss of power with bigger tire. I have 25X12X9 on my avenger. Would it be better for me to put smaller tire with those chanel tracks or I can keep my bigger tire and save.

[Old Tucker]

With the older conquest We have very little room between tire and tub so we have no other way to go. With the newer argos you can play a lot more with the tire size. I am not to sure what tire is stock on the avenger, but I think on the avenger you will be fine if you have the room between the tire and tub with the 25 inch tires.

[Buzz]

I wonder why every body put smaller tire with tracks. Is it because of loss of power with bigger tire. I have 25X12X9 on my avenger. Would it be better for me to put smaller tire with those chanel tracks or I can keep my bigger tire and save.

I agree with Old Tucker, the main concern is tub clearance above the tire. You'll have plenty of power with that gear-reduction design and will also be able to maintain the increased floatation/bouyancy and ground clearance of a 25" tire. It's a win/win.

[North Country Tough]

I agree with Old Tucker, the main concern is tub clearance above the tire. You'll have plenty of power with that gear-reduction design and will also be able to maintain the increased floatation/bouyancy and ground clearance of a 25" tire. It's a win/win.

Buzz I will say this with my heavy rubber track Iam very glad to have the extra reduction and the 25,s sit in the garage,my Avenger has the old style trans with not the greatest reduction unlike the Admiral,that paired with the way I load it and pull with it keeps me in low range most of the time,what ever fits your individual situation I would run the larger tire but at the moment until I change the final drive ratio this is the best I can do,and when your in 4 feet of powder the little extra clearance is pretty much mute.Cheers NCT

[rockrewls]

From what ive seen and experienced there are some avengers that the tub will rub with just tires on, so be careful with 25" tires that being said there is now a kit available to keep the tub from sagging.
The part to the rear fender support kit is #806-256

Rock

[North Country Tough]

From what ive seen and experienced there are some avengers that the tub will rub with just tires on, so be careful with 25" tires that being said there is now a kit available to keep the tub from sagging.
The part to the rear fender support kit is #806-256

Rock

I did not know this was a issue,and mine has not rubbed yet but thanks for the part number I will order one and install it as a extra measure,since I put a deck across the seats and load it to death.Cheers NCT

[Buzz]

Buzz I will say this with my heavy rubber track Iam very glad to have the extra reduction and the 25,s sit in the garage,my Avenger has the old style trans with not the greatest reduction unlike the Admiral,that paired with the way I load it and pull with it keeps me in low range most of the time,what ever fits your individual situation I would run the larger tire but at the moment until I change the final drive ratio this is the best I can do,and when your in 4 feet of powder the little extra clearance is pretty much mute.Cheers NCT

NCT- more reduction helps for sure...your right. The good thing about this elevated belt track design is that you'll get a gear-reduction simply by running the tracks. With 3" belt elevation above and below the tire (6" total), your machine drive ratio will change equivalent to running 25" minus 6" = 19" diameter tires on the front/rear. And, the middles will slip in the track. You will see it in your overall machine speed (decrease), and increased low-end power. Fortunately for tracks, this is exactly what you need. Take the tracks off, and the standard drive ratio of your transmission for "tires-only-mode" comes back into play. No extra clutching or gearing swaps needed. If you want less load and better mileage at "higher" speeds when running this track, just run some track tuners in addtion to this. But, this track design is really taylor-made "as is" for the type of running you describe.....heavy loads and chug...chug...chugging along.

[Buzz]

now if you prefer to run a smaller tire in addition to that elevated belt track, you'll have even more gear-reduction. I personally think the 25's seem to do great. Instead of a "high" and "low" range, running this track essentially changes your machine so that you can run a "mid" and a "granny" gear. I think most of us probably tend to use the "low" (granny) gear for most driving. If you're on a dirt road, you don't really need an argo.

[Rock Doctor]

I did not know this was a issue,and mine has not rubbed yet but thanks for the part number I will order one and install it as a extra measure,since I put a deck across the seats and load it to death.Cheers NCT

This wasn't even "loaded to death" as far as I was concerned. Running 25"tires, no tracks.
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My "Bush Fix" to get the guy back out. The plastic was from a Dog Treat Container, lol.
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RD

[Buzz]

ouch...what happened there? Was it the extra weight in the back and/or a piece of debris carried up....or just the tires rubbing? I wish all the machines would have a couple more inches of clearance above the tires....I dont know why they don't just build them that way from the factory?

[rockrewls]

the jig for the avengers isnt what it used to be, and of course now running the really large 25" tires doesnt help, essentially a design flaw the new rear fender support kit is designed to remedy it, but personlly im opting for the 24" frontier tires to set some new tracks on to get additional extra clearance!
thank Rd for the pics ive seen quite a few machines that look that way, people if your tracks or tires are rubbing at all, deal with it immediately or you will be replacing your lower tub.

rear fender support kit is #806-256

Rock

[Rock Doctor]

ouch...what happened there? Was it the extra weight in the back and/or a piece of debris carried up....or just the tires rubbing? I wish all the machines would have a couple more inches of clearance above the tires....I dont know why they don't just build them that way from the factory?

He was hauling a load of 2x6 Lumber on his rear Rack. It was the lower part of the lower Tub (below the fenders) that squished down, allowing the tires to rub under the Fenders. BOTH SIDES.
I packed some rags into the holes, then sealed it with Silicone, then formes the patches with heat, then Glued the patches on with Gorilla Glue, and Riveted it for good measure.
You can't tell from the pics, but the machine is jacked up and supported under the back rack, sitting in the hot sun like this for a couple days allowed the body to straighten itself out...... mostly.

My observations indicate that the new Argo Tubs are possibly thinner, or softer Plastic. They seem to deform under pressure easier than the older Tubs.
A friend had an Argo Rep up in the area, Shortly after this happened. He was very interested in the Bracing we designed to fix the problem. Very similar to the Factory Fender Support Kit, now available...... Coincidence, I'm sure, lol.