1999 conquest clutch / belt issue

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    1999 conquest clutch / belt issue

    What is the distance between centerline engine out put shaft to center line trans input shaft??
    Problems... bucking under heavy strain as in up hill, steep hill, I run with 3 other argos, we all assist each other in engine, clutchs, all different improvements to argos & like to compare performance in each. We have a test "hill" to compare performance. mine in high range, will not go up unless I pour the coal to it, all others go up in high gear no problem. Mine bucks, burns belts, only on hill, flat trail OK.
    History, I owned argo conquest for 4 years, replaced both clutches 3 years ago, moved driven clutch spring to hole # 1, big improvement, tear down primary clutch often to clean, inspect, changed spring last fall, changed belts with new argo belts about once a year.
    So, after brother & I took both of his clutches & belt off his machine, put them on mine, it did not make any difference, well maybe alittle at first, I had to use more throttle that he does with his machine, the bucking was not too bad at first, but will be if I attempt the hill a couple more times.
    SOOO, we measured crankshaft to trans input shaft. (outside shaft to outside shaft, just reference)
    My distance is 16 inch, good running machine is 16 5/16,
    Good running machine = belt removal snug
    Bad running machine = belt loose & comes off easy
    SO, I called local argo shop for info or dimension, am waiting for reply.
    Any ideas ?
    Right now I pulled the transmission, checked trans & frame bolt holes for oblong, nothing worth noting, or nothing that would make the trans move towards the motor over a quarter of an inch?? I'm gonna put a wrench to the motor mount bolts in the morning just to check something while I got her tore down,
    Throw some ideas at me while I got it tore down & can see everything,

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    hi ,
    not trying to solve your specific application but here is my experience.
    I am sure there is an argo owner or even ODG will come with direct answers .
    In my experience a loose belt will engage in a higher gear and make hill climbing terrible
    I also had a choice of 2 centre to centre distances 12.5 inches nominal
    13.00 suggested by another very knowledgable source
    U guessed it the the alternate source was correct
    A side note is the smaller cen to cen distance was very easy to remove belt TO EASY
    The larger cen to cen distance as I have learnt now is more the ""normal "" belt is a little tough to remove

    This may help or give u ideas
    I would wait for ODG advice

    cheers tomo

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    Perhaps something loose or a cracked weld or two?

    Joe.

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    Here are some tips from Dayco ATV and Snowmobile Belts - by Dayco

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    When you put your trans back in, try and counter clockwise your trans before tightening, I would imagine that 5/16 could be made up that way up at the input shaft. Also may want to check your rpm's compared to the other machines.
    You may also have a different geared machine such as one having a G transmission and one having a M transmission, the G transmission is geared lower, which would account for ease in climbs. You could re gear if needed using your housing, But I would be sure to stamp it for future owner reference.

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    Thanks tomo, you did have the very same experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomo View Post
    hi ,
    not trying to solve your specific application but here is my experience.
    I am sure there is an argo owner or even ODG will come with direct answers .
    In my experience a loose belt will engage in a higher gear and make hill climbing terrible
    I also had a choice of 2 centre to centre distances 12.5 inches nominal
    13.00 suggested by another very knowledgable source
    U guessed it the the alternate source was correct
    A side note is the smaller cen to cen distance was very easy to remove belt TO EASY
    The larger cen to cen distance as I have learnt now is more the ""normal "" belt is a little tough to remove

    This may help or give u ideas
    I would wait for ODG advice

    cheers tomo

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    Thanks guys for you input, sorry but I had to put things on hold, family here & fishing, sight seeing, & now I'm back at work. I did get a reply back from local Argo dealer the very next morning, I removed tranny & started cleaning everything, found nothing out of the ordinary, motor mount bolts tight, no cracks in the power pack frame, trany bolt holes alittle loose, nothing that would cause 5/16 of an inch movement. I'll update more when I start to reassemble. Again, thanks for the input.
    PS: MOOSE & Caribou season 3 weeks away, AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARGOJIM View Post
    When you put your trans back in, try and counter clockwise your trans before tightening, I would imagine that 5/16 could be made up that way up at the input shaft. Also may want to check your rpm's compared to the other machines.
    You may also have a different geared machine such as one having a G transmission and one having a M transmission, the G transmission is geared lower, which would account for ease in climbs. You could re gear if needed using your housing, But I would be sure to stamp it for future owner reference.
    All 3 trany are MU, good thought tho, am goin to attempt pivoting the trans back before tightening, hope it is something simple, thanks for the thooughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebuggyman1 View Post
    Here are some tips from Dayco ATV and Snowmobile Belts - by Dayco
    thanks for the link

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    clutch spacing

    Center to center distance on a Conquest is 15.35"

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