Adair tracks

[smog]

I'm very sure the deep snow conditions will not be a problem with the adair. the extended 24" adair will outperform the 20" rubber. Soft surfaces like MUD, SNOW, SAND is perfect for deep plastic cleats.

problem is rocks / hard surface under thin snow or ice, while going uphill. or even climbing on hard surface during summer. The argo supertracks just can't do it as the plastic just keep slipping. and the harder the plastic, the worst it gets.


constructive idea :

may be water jet cutting the Adair profile in half thickness plastic sheet then sandwiching rubber strip as the wear material could do it for winter but will take away the ability the spin-o-rama you guys love to show off on paved surfaces

[Noel Woods]

smog: There is no debate that in deep snow the Argo extrawide, metal grouser added tracks will have an advantage in deep snow. Thats why the expedition type vehicles that explore the poles, etc., are so equipped. Like so many things that are out there, one size doesn't always fit/meet all requirements or applications. I do think the Adair tracks give great all around performance. I know that if the demand is there, that the guys at Adair Argo will come up with a system that works in the deep snow like you encounter. I encourage you to work direct with them and see if they can cater a set of tracks for you.
That looks like some great riding you guys have up there. I'd love a chance to get to operate a machine in those challenging conditions.

[smog]

Would really be fun to see how an actual adair SNOW track with studs would compair to other snow track options.

I know my opinion is not aligned with all the Adair fan club here on 6x6 world but here is a picture of an Actual Adair SNOW track with STUDS as received from Adair



I trust the studs RD will add on his tracks will be a bit better than the original 1/4" or 3/16" bolts meant to act as studs. and that already broke or bent on the first road crossing.

that's why I said I want to see it myself in the north east winter conditions with a lot of ice, snow and rocky terrains before throwing 4800$ for a set delivered here in Canada.

Argo in REALLY deep snow

I would be VERY happy to have a set of track that swim AND grip on rocks/ice, I know the Adair guys are reading so please think about a way to keep your edge in Mountain conditions. Because, as-is, plastic is not an option here, even in summer.

[Obsessed]

[QUOTE=Rock Doctor;105178]

Better invest in ice cleats for the Adair as even the non cleated supertracks look like doing a better job (fast forward to 2:20) :


Supertracks have a ****load of Grade 8 sharpened steel bolts through them, about 1.5" long. But yes, I agree the Adair Tracks need help. I have Pics, Cleats, and Studs coming for the Adair's, but have not recieved them yet. You kinda got a jump on me, I started another thread about this particular trip

Edit: Did you happen to notice the Argo doing the "Moonwalk" at the start?

RD

Hey RD...fun video to watch...neat to see how a lightweight, narrow, open tread, adair MUD track that was never intended for snow would actually compare to a heavily studded, full block, super wide snow track. Would really be fun to see how an actual adair SNOW track with studs would compair to other snow track options.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us! :-)

[Noel Woods]

I have a set of rubber tracks on a Max2 and Adair tracks on an Argo. The rubber tracks may have a slight advantage in the snow, however the Adair tracked vehicle was nipping at its heels in the snow. The tracked vehicle swims well, in the mud the Adair tracks can't be stopped. If there is one system that can't be beat, its the Adair tracks. The rubber tracks are better than tires in the slop, but no where as good as the Adair tracks.
Once upon a time, I thought tracks can't be much better than aggressive tires. Then I tried the Adair tracks and haven't felt the same since. Dollar for dollar, and pound for pound, the Adair tracks are the best addition for an amphib out there.

[mightymaxIV]

I disagree with the rock part, I have some serious rock climbs very close, I don't think my machine will have an issue, rocks and ADAIR TRACKS=TRACTION, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SLICK LIMESTONE THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE ALL TOGETHER. I'll video my machine climbing a 40' rock pile but I don't believe that it will even be a challenge.

As for rubber tracks and super tracks, bring em down to the swamps and lets see if they can run up and down the swamp creeks and climb over all the fallen trees we'll run into. Rubber tracks would do well for everything except the swimming part.

Nothings perfect, even tires like the 24" Argo frontier tires are better for certain types of swampy terrain then tracks.

But this is what I know for sure-Nothing out performs my Argo with Adair tracks in pure mud and that includes extensively modified 4x4's. I have walked through every swamp and mud area I can find. If every other modified machine got stuck my Argo walked right through. Those Adair tracks clean out in gummy mud, every thing else turns into a slick, Adair tracks just clean out and grab traction.

wanna argue? Watch this video-still wanna be a non believer, be glad to go for a ride with you.

[Rock Doctor]

with RD,s pup to a root mentality

You lost me here Tough
Never heard that particular............line, before


RD

[Rock Doctor]

It's all about what people do with the AATV. I have yet to see an argo on tracks during summer. But as most of us use the tracks only on snow, the swimming advantage is a bit less useful while the "won't climb on rocks" disadvantage a bit disastrous. That's why the RSB 20" rubber tracks are kings here.

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Exactly, Exactly, Exactly. You see? You don't swim with your tracks, so you say it's a less useful point where you ride. BUT, most of the guys I know around here NEVER run their Argo's in the snow, they all have snowmobiles for that. Therefore, a rubber tracks ability to climb frozen, icey rocks could be considered "useless" to some guys. You say that "MOST of us use the tracks ONLY on snow", that's a pretty broad statement, when you consider the fact that almost every Adair Track vid I have ever seen takes place in Muddy/Swampy conditions. Why do you ONLY use tracks in snow? Is it because the terrain you cross in summer is easy to travers, even with tires, or is it because 20" rubber tracks will cause excessive wear on your drivetrain in the summer?
How can it be "disasterous" to run tracks that won't climb rocks if there are no rocks to climb?
How can the swimming advantage of the Adair Tracks be considered "Less Usefull" if much of the terrain you travers consists of "Swimming Holes"?

I totally see where you are coming from, but like you said in your first line. "It's all about what you do with the AATV". Is it still an AATV if you can't cross water? Is it still an AATV if it won't climb an icey hill? I have 5 snowmobiles that I can ride in the winter if I want. Am I better off having 20" wide Rubber tracks for my Argo, just in case I want to ride in the snow once a winter, even though those same tracks will not fit down the trails in the summer, and will trash my drivetrain if I did use them?

Cheers
RD

[North Country Tough]

Agree with RD on the no perfect answer,I ran supertracks for years they were fine but lacked the traction on hard pack,bought into the Argo rubber tracks for this season I do have a long fairly steep incline that unfortunately is the way off the lake that is closest to my tow vehicle that has now become a groomed snowmo trail,so hard pack and polished up here and there like smog is talking about,will I try the Adair track it is likely but at this point its great to have this site to see real world performance,and with RD,s pup to a root mentality if they turn out to be the holy grail of track system for all around use they will be worth considering.N.C.T

[smog]

It's all about what people do with the AATV. I have yet to see an argo on tracks during summer. But as most of us use the tracks only on snow, the swimming advantage is a bit less useful while the "won't climb on rocks" disadvantage a bit disastrous. That's why the RSB 20" rubber tracks are kings here.

Anyway, this winter I will ride with an argo 8x8 on Adair so I will see how it compare with my max IV on 15"x 1.5" rubber tracks in the conditions we have here, specially after some kids in snowmobiles go up hills making sure the trail is left ice shiny with exposed rocks....

[Rock Doctor]

to be fair, someone posted the video on sentier6x6 in a discussion about how plastic is just not good on hard frozen surfaces and will not hold a candle to the rubber tracks in this specific condition..

I was interested enough to try to go check out the thread on sentier6x6, but to my horror, I found that the site is displayed in some kind of Hiroglyphic Space Language.........Maybe "Klingon"








OH come on, I'm just kidding
Anyway, I couldn't make heads nor tails out of it (my father forced me to NOT take french classes in school. He was kind of an ass in that way)

So I went to look, to see if they were fixating on one percieved advantage of Rubber over Plastic, or if they were listing Advantages and Disadvantages of both styles: For example:

Rubber Advantages:
Better on hard packed, icey snow trails
No ice buildup on outside of tracks

Rubber Disadvantages:
Heavy
Chain Windeup issues
Don't swim
Set dimentions (can not be widened/narrowed to suite conditions)
Closed design that traps debris and pulls the tracks tighter and tighter, leading up to bearing and hub failures
A cut Rubber Track is a runed Rubber Track

Plastic Advantages (Adair):
Replaceable segments
Very light
No chain windeup issues
Swim VERY well
Adjustable width and length to acomodate different machines and width requirements.
Open design to allow debris to fall out of tracks
Very easy to turn

Plastic Disadvantages (Adair)
Slippery on Hardpack snow/ice
Open design gives less floatation in snow
Ice can build up on outside of tracks........maybe, but not sure on that one (It does build up on the outside of the Supertracks)


So, that was just off the top of my head, and some points may or may not be valid. I'm sure there are numerous other points that can be made as well. Obviously I have just started testing with these tracks, and will undoubtably find that out of my 4 sets of tracks, different ones will work better in some areas than others

My thought is that no one product is awesome at everything. I do firmly believe that some products must be better at some things than other products, and your riding style/conditions will dictate what is best for you. At this point, I feel I need to do a lot of testing to find what will be right for me, in the conditions I will be operating in most often. No matter what works best for you, there will always be concesions made.


RD

[smog]

But yes, I agree the Adair Tracks need help.

to be fair, someone posted the video on sentier6x6 in a discussion about how plastic is just not good on hard frozen surfaces and will not hold a candle to the rubber tracks in this specific condition..

[Rock Doctor]

[QUOTE=smog;105169]Better invest in ice cleats for the Adair as even the non cleated supertracks look like doing a better job (fast forward to 2:20) :


Supertracks have a ****load of Grade 8 sharpened steel bolts through them, about 1.5" long. But yes, I agree the Adair Tracks need help. I have Pics, Cleats, and Studs coming for the Adair's, but have not recieved them yet. You kinda got a jump on me, I started another thread about this particular trip

Edit: Did you happen to notice the Argo doing the "Moonwalk" at the start?

RD

[smog]

While I am looking forward to riding in deep snow with my Adair Tracks this winter, to date we only have about 10-12".

Let it snow
RD

Better invest in ice cleats for the Adair as even the non cleated supertracks look like doing a better job (fast forward to 2:20) :

[Obsessed]

haha .... RD just smile and tell her that if good old Santa had an Argo, he would definitely have Snow Tracks...lol...oh ya and a "wink" or two probably wouldn't hurt either... ;-)

ho ho ho!