Hydro traxx on OUTLAWS!

[mightymaxIV]

outlaws

Aww, come on, somebody will buy a set. They have Dan Edwards name written all over it Noticed they make a 25x9.5x12. Probably lose some floating height in the water, but would give body clearance. Or a frontier. Not me though, I know better

I am not going there Roger. I really believe this tire would stress the frame and every other componet. Besides I already make these quads with the big tires look really silly, so why would I want the extra wear and tear an outlaw would give. I would consider this tire strongly if I owned a Mud Ox with a drive train that is designed to take all the abuse and stress this tire would cause.

[SWAMP HAWG]

SWAMP HAWG ,


Even if you could mount the Outlaw tires on your Attex , how long do you think your chains would last trying to skid steer tires with side lugs like these ? Do you see how deep the scoops on the side lugs are ? These tires are notorious for breaking things on 4-wheelers , what do you think a tire with side walls this a



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This a pic of the 31" Outlaw, The 31's and 29.5" Laws have much bigger side lugs than the smaller sizes. The 25 - 28 inch laws only have about 1.5 or so at the corners of the tread.
Also Outlaws "balloon up " into a very round shape with added air pressure. If the side lugs were giving too much bite/stress or whatever you can add air & make them ride on the center of the tire. This isn't the final answer if a given machine will experience premature parts wear/failure because of an aggressive tire like an outlaw, just something else to think about.
An added note , I've seen a lot of 6x6's with knobbies on all 6 axles.
I would venture to say that those knobbies offer so much more resistance to skid steering on hardpack vs. an Outlaw is not even close. But who knows right?

[Roger S]

Aww, come on, somebody will buy a set. They have Dan Edwards name written all over it Noticed they make a 25x9.5x12. Probably lose some floating height in the water, but would give body clearance. Or a frontier. Not me though, I know better

[pepper]

Is it really hard to believe the the antiquated design of tires on AAtvs now could be over shadowed by mud tires that might work well on an AATV .

There are some used 26 x12x12 , High Lifter , Outlaws , in Shreveport ,La where I live , that are advertized on Craigs list . I,d buy these tires in a heart beat if these tires would work on my Max IV .



Reasons why they won,t work :


1. The side lugs are VERY large and would cause rubbing on the inner tub . To prevent this from happening , you would need to have custom axles made by some one like Whipper .

as long as you had the correct offset rims this would not be a problem

2. The large side lugs would cause a tremendous strain on the chains , as the side lugs grabbed traction , each time you tried to skid steer . This is the wrong tire to consider on a skid steer machine .

how exactly would side lugs cause more resistance as most of the time the only part that causes resistance is what contacts the ground?


3. Running High Lifter , Outlaw tires on a Max IV , or an Argo , might even snap axles if the stress placed upon them was too great .

same can be said with any tire traction media or track use?

4. Only amphibs with the ability to turn one bank of tires in the opposite direction of the other bank of tires , can run the Out law tire with out beaking or straining chains to the point of premature wear . The Hyratrex , Hydrotraxx , Triton , and also the Mud OX are amphibious machines that have this ability .


Petty bold statement , you do realize that chains are used in hydrostatic skid steers also right? think of how a machine turns and how the forces and resistance is applied to its componants?

Seems to me that Any Machine that is designed to have the added stresses of tracks not to mention the increased traction of tracks should be able to withstand the extra traction of the outlaws

Perhaps i am missing something ?

[mudbug3]

I just wish I could fit a set of outlaws on my Attex

SWAMP HAWG ,


Even if you could mount the Outlaw tires on your Attex , how long do you think your chains would last trying to skid steer tires with side lugs like these ? Do you see how deep the scoops on the side lugs are ? These tires are notorious for breaking things on 4-wheelers , what do you think a tire with side walls this a



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[mudbug3]

I just wish I could fit a set of outlaws on my Attex

There are some used 26 x12x12 , High Lifter , Outlaws , in Shreveport ,La where I live , that are advertized on Craigs list . I,d buy these tires in a heart beat if these tires would work on my Max IV .



Reasons why they won,t work :


1. The side lugs are VERY large and would cause rubbing on the inner tub . To prevent this from happening , you would need to have custom axles made by some one like Whipper .

2. The large side lugs would cause a tremendous strain on the chains , as the side lugs grabbed traction , each time you tried to skid steer . This is the wrong tire to consider on a skid steer machine .

3. Running High Lifter , Outlaw tires on a Max IV , or an Argo , might even snap axles if the stress placed upon them was too great .


4. Only amphibs with the ability to turn one bank of tires in the opposite direction of the other bank of tires , can run the Out law tire with out beaking or straining chains to the point of premature wear . The Hyratrex , Hydrotraxx , Triton , and also the Mud OX are amphibious machines that have this ability .

[SWAMP HAWG]

I just wish I could fit a set of outlaws on my Attex

[mudbug3]

[QUOTE=mightymaxIV ] He also said that they swim really well with the outlaws . He said it swims better with the out laws than the standard 25 " Goodyears-thats hard to believe




Dan ,


Here is your proof now .

[mudbug3]

I guess after watching this video , there is now no doubt that the High Lifter , Outlaw tires, really do swim . If you watch the end of the video very closely , you will see that both props on the back of the Hydro Traxx , are in the uplifted position

[mudbug3]

Hydro Traxx with twin props

[mudbug3]

[mudbug3]

[mudbug3]

Hydro traxx on Outlaws

I looked at the highlifter "outlaw" tires on the web, and was most impressed They have a VERY large, thick and aggressive tread pattern. There is also wide spacing between each lug, that gives them exellent mud sheading ability.

One tread wraps almost to the edge of the side wall of the tire, and every other tread wraps around the side wall, and is cupped upwards and outwards, to scoop the mud. The way these side treads are shaped and alternated, around both sides of each tire,, I think they might just have some swimming ability

The way the side treads wrap around, I think they would scoop water as well , and swim better than the Raw hides.

The key to the swimming ability of the Outlaws, is their unique alternating treads,that cup upwards and outwards

[jpswift1]

I have yet to test my 26" Goodyears on my Hustler BIGFOOT, but I did consider putting on a set of 27" mud tires. I was thinking about Highlifter Outlaws or something along those lines. I think I could possibly even fit 28's, but it might be a little too close. I will have to find some mud holes (its been sooooooo dry in upstate NY that most of my mud bogs on the trails I ride are almost dry.

[SWAMP HAWG]

I've read that the Gators do much better than 25" or 26" goodyear rawhides in any kind of mud on a 6x6, but the water performance left alot to be desired.
I had 26" rawhides on my old Swamp Fox . It would swim pretty well , but the mud performance was truly sad in my opinion.
There were a few holes my Arctic Cat would crawl through in 2wd that the 6 rawhides would slick over and not clean out.
I have ran just about every "pure mud" tire available for a 12" rim including Outlaws, EDL's, Mudzillas, and the magnum Mud Machines.
I always wondered how the Outlaws would do on a 6x6 because they are designed to paddle forward instead of digging down like the zillas, or the EDL's. I sold the Swamp Fox before I could try Outlaws on it, and now my little Attex can't fit them as the smallest size is a 25"