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Got back from BB. Took the Mudd OX. We got stuck 4 times, burnt up a 5000 lb winch. Good times. I wish I could stear you the right way. We have a 2002 Argo Conquest and a 2016 XL Mudd OX. They are a blast. Buy brand new if you can, that is my only advice. Remember in Oct is another get together at BB, many different machines. We are tied up now threw Sept, hope to see you in Oct.