New Lineup on ArgoXTV website

[Sparx]

Go check them out, may not be super accurate but gives you an idea what to expect. Some show pics with the aluminum beadlocks but they are supposed to have offset steel wheels in place was one thing I noticed in the features tab.

[curtisbyrne]

WOW,lots of choice!i like it

[Coast2Coast]

Anyone know if there are differences between the 2016 and 2017 model years? Other than the new names?

[Sparx]

Massive differences.
Just some I've noticed and read:
-Different sized Axles larger and different lengths and wheel offsets to accommodate the changes. This is affected in steel and aluminum beadlock wheels
-Gear ratios have changed in the transmissions to higher ratios, not just the LS trans, even the High Torque is a higher ratio
-No option in the 700 Carburated Avengers of the past or 700HD, all EFI no matter what, just different sized and cooled versions of motors
-Many, and most machines you CAN'T actually even get the High Torque trans even though you like the package setup, this means items like the Rubber tracks may not work as optimum as a result if you plan to always run tracks especially in mud and swamp
-Way, way more expensive, significant increase in overall costs for the exact same previous models. Most models now cost what an older model would cost WITH tracks, it's that significant!
I'm sure I am missing a few I can think of later, but most are like packages with pre-installed accessories from the factory, but even the base models cost more.

[Coast2Coast]

These changes all came out with the LX and huntmaster series early this spring. Those models in 2016 model years have all these features too. But the standard HDI 8x8 that they now call Avenger still has the same running gear as it has for the past 6 years or so does it not?

[Sparx]

Yes and no,
The Avenger 8x8 S has the GENII older style trans with the same gearing as before with 2.6 for STD and 3.3 for the High Torque.
The rims are steel and offset with 1.375" axles comes with bilge pump and entry step. Retail at $23,135.00

Every other Avenger model has the Admiral trans with new 6.2 STD or 8.1 HT gearing replacing the 6.4 and 8.4 gearing.

In 2016 the options were more add-ons then standard features on most models. It appears the larger axles are now standard on Avenger. 1.25" Axles are on the Frontier Series models and 1.50" axles on the Conquest Models

The beadlocks or off-set steel rims only apply to the 1.375" Avenger Axles. The Frontier and Conquest use the regular steel rims

For example, now if you choose the Avenger 8x8 STX you CANNOT get the high torque trans, you only have the HS Admiral in 6.2 gearing option. This wouldn't be a good setup with 18" rubber tracks being loaded heavily.

The Conquest (XTI lineup) comes with only one gearing option in the Admiral trans, that being 7.1 gearing.

Correction, only the Avenger 8x8 STR can you get the Aluminum beadlock wheels with HT 8.1 geared Admiral trans.

You can find a leftover HDI and put it on tracks for cheaper then most of these Admiral trans equipped machines retail prices now.
The high torque trans is $4,300 CAN if purchased separately. I would be interested in how much they want for their beadlocks, I can't seem to find any aftermarket wheels with the 5x4.5" bolt pattern in 9" rim size...

[Coast2Coast]

I was told $782 for ONE beadlock rim with a 25x12 tire mounted. Subtract price of tire, equals way too much to buy 8.

Thanks sparx for the info.

[Sparx]

Ouch, their way of making you buy the new machines... If I guessed $225 a tire that would bring rims alone to $4456.
The price difference between the Avenger ST and STR is $1,800US. At the price conversion they do for their machines between $1.07-1.088 on units would put these rims about $243 Can or $225 US per rim.
I rather have steel beadlocks over aluminum for strength, I think I'll just make my own for that price.

[rgoat]

Great breakdown Sparx, thanks! These differences weren't obvious on the web site. Still don't understand what all comes with what trim level.

[Sparx]

Go to Argo Adventure | Argo Atv Parts | Argo Atv and then select Argo ATV models, once there select the compare models button and it should open up a PDF for you to compare all the models. It wasn't until I was at this site that I was aware of the STR Avenger model that you could get the Aluminum beadlock wheels with the Hi Torque trans. It's the only model in which you can do so, the rest are all Steel off-set wheels.

To simplify everything,
-Frontier models only have steel wheels and the only Admiral trans available are on the two greatest model of 6x6 in ST trim
-Avenger series stronger axles, only model with the GenII trans is the base Avenger S model
-Conquest is basically the XTI models with stronger axles yet and the different frame and such, Admiral Trans only in the 7.1 Gearing only

[rgoat]

Ah, thanks again! Why wouldn't they have this on their own web site? Weird. Direct link to pdf for anyone else looking for it:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6d...N3blIzTjQ/view

[rgoat]

Just adding to Sparx's point about some of the premium packages coming ONLY with the 6.2 ratio admiral and how that wouldn't be great with tracks. There's the STD 6.2 and the HS (High Speed) 6.2 shown on that sheet. The HS set-up is the same reduction from secondary clutch to output shafts as STD but the drive sprockets are different to gain top speed. From the parts manual they've changed the planetaries, I assume to increase the steering radius so that you're not flung out the side at the faster speed when you turn.

Bottom line your total reduction from engine to wheels is less on the HS 6.2 than the STD 6.2 so you may be even more unhappy with track performance with that set-up. But they put those beautiful offset aluminum wheels on them so that using tracks is that much easier! And then limit you to a drivetrain with the least amount of torque at the wheels! Again, weird. Still wouldn't mind taking one of those LX's out for a spin just to see how it feels at speed.

[Sparx]

Great work rgoat! I was wondering how the HS differed when the trans ratio was the same, totally makes sense now! At least now with different drive sprocket options it'll be easier to change the gearing instead of swapping trans. I will now have a 6.4 and 8.4 Admiral trans to play with, I may get the sprockets as well. Might find a sweet spot between Hi Torque trans with HS sprockets? Lol

[mightymaxIV]

HEY ARGO!!!! You ever hear of a three speed tranny?? You make gears! It's not hard! Could we have a three speed tranny with a HS top gear, medium range for general trail use and a super low gear for extreme terrain!!!!!! While you are at it make the counter rotation a separate switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not a big thing we are asking here, after all you do manufacture gears, right?????

Get it right Argo!