Inner Tube Old Tires??

[Paulgo]

The previous owner switched out the tires, on my 1995 Vanguard, for some 18x11-8 Turf Tamers. They worked well in the tracks, but there isn't as much ground clearance. That is even worse now that the tracks are off.

The original 22x10-8 Runamuks have side wall cracks and slow leaks. Has anyone successfully tubed these? I have the plastic super tracks for winter. One person said he had trouble with the wheels spinning and breaking off the tube's valve stems. I suppose tire slime is another option?

I just plain can't afford to buy a new set of the Carlisles. I CAN scrape up enough for a new set of Runamuks at half the price of the Carlisles. Are the Carlisles that much better that I should get by until I can afford a set or will some new Runamuks fill the bill? Hoping a few of you will chime in with advice. Tubes, slime, new Runamuks, keep the Turf Tamers, or something else??

TIA Paul

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[Diverdave]

Yes, i tubed all my tyres on my last argo, and they worked just fine. one or two pulled the valve stem to an angle from time to time, but it really made no difference.
cheers
dave

[AlaskaGrizzly]

Inner tubes can fail if you have a tire spin on the rim so I don't do it. If you don't really work them that hard you'd probably be OK. I have run tubes in trailer tires for years. I bought a used 8x8 one year and it had 4 tubed tires. Previous owner said he was tired of the slow leaks. I took it on one hunting trip and wound up spinning 2 of the tires and pulled the stem off of the tubes. Had to field repair them.

It seems like slow leaks are hard to avoid. Get a little trash under the bead and you have problems. I have had no issues with running Slime over the years to avoid this issue. I took the inner tubes out of the 4 tires on the machine and reinstalled them with slime. So, if your old tires are slow leakers I'd try that first.

Nothing wrong with the Runamuks if that fits the budget. If they are half the price of the Carlisles I'd be leaning towards buying Runamuks myself. The Carlisles do get good traction and swim well. My new machine has them on it. Probably better overall tire then the Runamuks but not that much better at double the cost. I've haven't been keeping up with things but they must be making new Goodyear Runamuks now.

[AlaskaGrizzly]

Looks like you have the old runamuks on rims. If so, here's what I'd do: Slime the ones that are slow leakers and see what happens. Slime does not fix big leaks so your stuck with new or tubes. If you can get tubes cheep enough buy them and run them in the center tire position until you get new tires.

[Paulgo]

Thank you for the replies! Been doing some research. Titan contracted with Goodyear to bring back the Runamuk tires-- although I keep seeing it spelled Runamuck on their site. Was able to buy a set of 6 22x10-8's for $434 shipped, which is less than a quarter of what it would have cost me for the Carlisles that Argo now recommends. I will mount them on the white wheels and sell the knobby tires to help offset the cost. Thinking I will stash those for now, slime the old set (with black rims), and get some more use out of them. As they die, I can replace with new pairs on white rims. Us country folks is frugal... Paul

https://www.titanatv.com/goodyear-atv-tires/runamuck

[AlaskaGrizzly]

Take a moment and compare the bead lock feature of the black stock rims to what the white ones have. I'd mount the new tires on the set of rims that have the best bead lock ring formed in them if they are different. I can't tell much from your pictures but Argo brand rims typically have a better bead lock on them than most of the aftermarket rims I've seen. And it sure looks like those black ones are Argo brand. Good to hear Titan/Goodyear is making the tire again.

[Paulgo]

Now that is something I wouldn't have been aware of. Thanks! Am I just comparing the shape of the rim at the bead? Can I do that from the outside or does tire need to come off? Almost positive the black rims are original Argo. Would be nice if I can use the white ones too. Paul

[jerseybigfoot]

Some of the Chinese rims have a bead lock ring but the rims are under size so compare the circumference to the Argo wheel also

[Paulgo]

Here's a couple pics of the rims. They are the same diameter and the bead area looks similar. Not sure if the white and black rims are the same width, but tires on them are pretty close--although the knobby tires are a good 3-4" shorter. Paul

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[AlaskaGrizzly]

Here's a couple pics of the rims. They are the same diameter and the bead area looks similar. Not sure if the white and black rims are the same width, but tires on them are pretty close--although the knobby tires are a good 3-4" shorter. Paul

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The black ones are factory rims from what I see. You can tell the bead lock feature from the outside. On your picture the step that the tire mounts on (1" mark on your tape) there will be a "U" shaped feature going in that is the bead lock. The tire goes up and over this and it helps it from coming off. I also like the location of the valve stem on the Argo rims better than the white rims. They are more protected being where they are.

I can't tell how much the white rim has for a bead lock. I've seen trailer rims with a bead lock ring but never one with as much of a bead lock as the Argo brand rims. Some trailer rims have no bead lock at all. You could always mount old runamuks on the white rims and have them for spares.

[AlaskaGrizzly]

If you are into building things you can make your own bead breaker for removing tires. I built this out of a couple pry bars after seeing one on Youtube. Makes life a lot easier when dismounting Argo tires!!!

[Paulgo]

Just to make sure I'm following you, we can't judge the bead lock potential on the white rims from the outside view, so I need to get a tire off? Love your bead breaker! Very innovative. I ordered the mini tire changer from HF for $53-- mainly for the attached bead breaker and because it makes it easy to hold the wheel still. Am thinking I can make it a decent tool with a little modification. Goes up to 12" rims, so will help with my Bolens tractor collection. I'll post more pics once I get the knobby tires off the white rims. Will probably need to replace a couple bearings and seals while I have it up in the air. Can those be matched up locally or do I have to go through a dealer? Also, at what point do the nylon chain tensioners need to be replaced? I pulled out the inner floor covers and am not looking forward to working in there. Looks like a lot of bending over from outside... Paul

[Craig_B]

Just to make sure I'm following you, we can't judge the bead lock potential on the white rims from the outside view, so I need to get a tire off? Love your bead breaker! Very innovative. I ordered the mini tire changer from HF for $53-- mainly for the attached bead breaker and because it makes it easy to hold the wheel still. Am thinking I can make it a decent tool with a little modification. Goes up to 12" rims, so will help with my Bolens tractor collection. I'll post more pics once I get the knobby tires off the white rims. Will probably need to replace a couple bearings and seals while I have it up in the air. Can those be matched up locally or do I have to go through a dealer? Also, at what point do the nylon chain tensioners need to be replaced? I pulled out the inner floor covers and am not looking forward to working in there. Looks like a lot of bending over from outside... Paul

Is this the changer you are using?

[Paulgo]

Yes, that is the one I ordered.

[AlaskaGrizzly]

Just to make sure I'm following you, we can't judge the bead lock potential on the white rims from the outside view, so I need to get a tire off? Love your bead breaker! Very innovative. I ordered the mini tire changer from HF for $53-- mainly for the attached bead breaker and because it makes it easy to hold the wheel still. Am thinking I can make it a decent tool with a little modification. Goes up to 12" rims, so will help with my Bolens tractor collection. I'll post more pics once I get the knobby tires off the white rims. Will probably need to replace a couple bearings and seals while I have it up in the air. Can those be matched up locally or do I have to go through a dealer? Also, at what point do the nylon chain tensioners need to be replaced? I pulled out the inner floor covers and am not looking forward to working in there. Looks like a lot of bending over from outside... Paul

You should be able to judge how much of a bead lock it has by the shape of it from the outside. I'm betting the white rims won't be as deep or defined as the Argo rim. Not that they won't serve you well but with new tires might as go on your best rims.

Bearings are not anything special but they unfortunately can be hard to track down at times. I think they are a special run bearing so most bearing dealers don't have them. A Argo dealer or ebay is likely your best bet. I tend to like the RHP brand. NTN is likely what you'll get from the dealer. They are good too. I just got more hours of my machine with the RHP's before loosing the first bearing in it. Off memory they are RHP 1025-1 1/4G on the outside and 1025-1G on the inside. Last bunch of RHP brand I bought was off ebay. Seals are a common part # too and don't cost much from a Argo dealer. Get new cork gaskets from the dealer for outer bearing flanges too.

The nylon chain tensioners last a long time. I had 400+ hours on both of my old Conquests and had no concerns about their condition. They wear to a point then stop wearing when more of the chain is contacting them. I carried a spare with me for year and never needed it.