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[martwell]

Hello everyone, we got a lot of snow here so i decide to put up my 18" supertracks. Last summer i bought some brand new 22-11-8 goodyear runamuk to replace my farely used 20-11-8 original rumamuk( the 20" were so used that they are taller than my brand new 22") . My problem is that my tracks have some problem fitting in on my new tires... Track keep slapping on my undercarriage while riding in the snow. I think they are too loose... I can put my hand closed between the tracks and the tire without any problem. Got some half-link that i can put on but i was wondering if i got the good amount of track section for my rig( 28 sections). I have a 1985 Argo Vanguard with 24" between each wheels and 48" between the first and the last in the back. I post some pics to show how it is... Can anyone help me on that

[danybernier]

Hi, I have the same argo (although 87) and it's funny you mention this problem, because I talked to an expert (a dealer of argo for the last 20 years) and he explained me that you need to have 2 inches between the tracks and the tire when lifted (as you did). He told me that in order to obtain the 2 inches, you need to inflate your tires to whatever pressure you can to get the 2 inches (he told me he had one with 10 pounds in each tire...). If you are riding in the snow, you won't notice the fact that the tires are hard, another story if you are planning to run on hard surfaces though.

That would be my quick fix... Hope this helps!

[martwell]

Hello Dany, i got around 4-5" between the tire and the tracks. My body is bented a litle bit in the middle. I can't inflate my tire to 10 lbs because my tracks will scrape the undercariage on the sides. So i think i wil try the haft link to regain the inchs and put as much air as needed to have the 2 ". How many sections do you have on your argo...What presure are you runing in your tires... I got 28 on each sides. Thanks for responding to my thread.

Martwell

[danybernier]

I'm not sure how much link I have on mine, (stored too far to count...), but I run my tires at 3psi. One thing my expert told me, is that you should run the same amount of psi in each tires, except the middle one that should have one psi more to allow for pivot if you plan to run mostly on hard terrain... As you said, maybe the half link will do the trick. How do you find the installation of the tracks? Have you read my post on the installation of tracks? I have posted a tool made to install the tracks, invaluable when it comes time to take them off or put them on!

[argonamics]

Track clearance

Hello
Thats the same problem that I have I don't think the older machines have enough tunnel clearance to run the 22 with the tracks?

[martwell]

I'm not sure how much link I have on mine, (stored too far to count...), but I run my tires at 3psi. One thing my expert told me, is that you should run the same amount of psi in each tires, except the middle one that should have one psi more to allow for pivot if you plan to run mostly on hard terrain... As you said, maybe the half link will do the trick. How do you find the installation of the tracks? Have you read my post on the installation of tracks? I have posted a tool made to install the tracks, invaluable when it comes time to take them off or put them on!

I run 3 psi also in my tires. Where is your machine, you should get her out in the snow!!!! I can surely used your special tool to install my track, i will steal your idea when i gonna find an old jack like yours.

Martin

[martwell]

Hello
Thats the same problem that I have I don't think the older machines have enough tunnel clearance to run the 22 with the tracks?

Hi, my old tires were 20-11-8 and tracks were running close to the body but drivable. My new 22-11-8 are smaller than my old 20-11-8 because those were stretched during all those years. I compare them aside and it was really amazing to see the difference, how tall my 20" were against my 22". So according to that my new 22" should run the same as my 20" or better i think. Did you have some body problem on your Argo too.. Is he looking like a banana... Mine was strapped to trailer the wrong way ( strapped over the seat ) so the body went lower there, that's what causing my tracks to come too close to my underside.

Martin

[eightwheeler]

Ok, i'll see if i can help you fella's, Martwell you can pull your body back up in the middle by pulling off your upper and bending the gas tank support back till its strait, its angled steel and very common to bend downward when strapped down over the seat. Second-is a huge conflict with older argo's, they came with 20 inch runamuks and now you cant buy 20's just 22's(i could be wrong but its what i was told) so now with 22's you have less room between the tire/body, so they do tend to rub the body more. Third-6x6's run 28 links and 8x8's run 36 links, HOWEVER! Argo plastic tracks are known for easily "ovaling" the holes where the pins go in caused from over time and running over inflated tires/bad shape tires.

Merry christmas

[martwell]

Ok, i'll see if i can help you fella's, Martwell you can pull your body back up in the middle by pulling off your upper and bending the gas tank support back till its strait, its angled steel and very common to bend downward when strapped down over the seat. Second-is a huge conflict with older argo's, they came with 20 inch runamuks and now you cant buy 20's just 22's(i could be wrong but its what i was told) so now with 22's you have less room between the tire/body, so they do tend to rub the body more. Third-6x6's run 28 links and 8x8's run 36 links, HOWEVER! Argo plastic tracks are known for easily "ovaling" the holes where the pins go in caused from over time and running over inflated tires/bad shape tires.

Merry christmas

Hi eightwheeler.. i would really like to bend back this support but my argo didn't come with it, it will be one of my big projects to install one soon ( seat support rack) and i think to had an other support around the firewall for extra. My argo was modified with a new 1994 or 2004 body( square headlights ), as the old owner told me so i shoudn't have a problem with that but i have. As far as i know i got the right amount of tracks link and as you say they are surely stretched with the oval holes. That's why i gonna try some half link to resolve my problem and bend back my body. Thanks for your good advices and have yourself a Merry Christmas

[bostatv]

Tires

Good Afternoon,

Regarding the tire size, the original 20x11x8 runamuck was not considered to be a true size tire and was bad to deform itself if over infalted which also caused the possibility of tire or track rub against the under body. In most cases the runamuck 22x10x8 will generally be smaller than the 20x11xx8. As far as the track system goes. It has generally worked well for me to use a 5psi reference for all tires with the 2 in drop under the tires. Once the track pins and plastic wares enough it is necessary to remove 1 full track segment and replace it with the half track segment. this will generally give necessary clearance. Have seen tracks worn so badly that a full segment would have to be removed without adding a half segment. Speed needs to be kept down somewhat to keep tracks form bouncing against lower body and wearing holes through. have a great day!
Ken

[martwell]

Good Afternoon,

Regarding the tire size, the original 20x11x8 runamuck was not considered to be a true size tire and was bad to deform itself if over infalted which also caused the possibility of tire or track rub against the under body. In most cases the runamuck 22x10x8 will generally be smaller than the 20x11xx8. As far as the track system goes. It has generally worked well for me to use a 5psi reference for all tires with the 2 in drop under the tires. Once the track pins and plastic wares enough it is necessary to remove 1 full track segment and replace it with the half track segment. this will generally give necessary clearance. Have seen tracks worn so badly that a full segment would have to be removed without adding a half segment. Speed needs to be kept down somewhat to keep tracks form bouncing against lower body and wearing holes through. have a great day!
Ken

Hi Ken, you really know what your talking, because all you said happened to me last week end.I remove 1 section of my tracks to put a half section and put 3 psi in my tires as sugested by guys around here ( prior to that my tracks were banging on my underside).

Tried to put my Argo in a trailer not wide enough, i put it one track on the floor and the other on a railing 12" higher... Not a good idea . Tracks were off the tire in the inside. Back it up on the ground, removed tracks and put them back on and put 4psi of air in tires. Went in the trail to try it. 15min later my left track went off my wheels completely and the other side was over the tire!!! What a mess I can say that the trail wasn't flat but i ve seen worst

Go back home on foot to bring back somes tools to put these back on. Put them back on with 6psi in tires, i was so pissed off that i didn't want to walk again...

Did you ever had problem running new runamuk tires in tracks ?? My tires are squiking a lot and it look like they have problem running freely in them... My old 20" runamuk were shaved on the side lip with a grinder, that's why they were so easy to install and they don't have problem running in my tracks...

My machine went home slowly but surely... I will recheck the pressure of the tires so my track won't fall of again... Who said that we learn from our mistakes!!!! thats so right

[Rock Doctor]

Hi Ken, you really know what your talking, because all you said happened to me last week end.I remove 1 section of my tracks to put a half section and put 3 psi in my tires as sugested by guys around here ( prior to that my tracks were banging on my underside).

Tried to put my Argo in a trailer not wide enough, i put it one track on the floor and the other on a railing 12" higher... Not a good idea . Tracks were off the tire in the inside. Back it up on the ground, removed tracks and put them back on and put 4psi of air in tires. Went in the trail to try it. 15min later my left track went off my wheels completely and the other side was over the tire!!! What a mess I can say that the trail wasn't flat but i ve seen worst

Go back home on foot to bring back somes tools to put these back on. Put them back on with 6psi in tires, i was so pissed off that i didn't want to walk again...

Did you ever had problem running new runamuk tires in tracks ?? My tires are squiking a lot and it look like they have problem running freely in them... My old 20" runamuk were shaved on the side lip with a grinder, that's why they were so easy to install and they don't have problem running in my tracks...

My machine went home slowly but surely... I will recheck the pressure of the tires so my track won't fall of again... Who said that we learn from our mistakes!!!! thats so right

Sounds like quite the trip lol
It can be really easy to "walk" out of supertracks when on rough ground. I have done it a couple times, and now I pay real close attention to where I'm going. It's not so bad when you "walk out" and the track spits out on the outside of the tires, but when you "walk out" and the track ends up twisted in between the Argo body and the tires...........THAT SUCKS

Regarding "Loose Tracks"........
Worn Track Pins can cause as much slop in the tracks as worn pin holes. I have replaced the pins on my Conquest twice, and on my 6x6 once. It can really help with slop. (I have never had to remove my "half links", replacing the pins was enough)
I run about 5 psi in my tires, a little less when the pins are new, and more as they wear out (replace track segments as holes wear out)

I have never had any issues with mounting tracks on new 22" runamucks. I just finaly got my tracks mounted last days off, and all I do is, Drive onto tracks, Let air out of front and rear tires (remove valve stem), Pull tracks togeather by hand, Insert track pin. (It's easier with a helping hand, but can be done alone), Re-install valve stems, Inflate tires.

Regarding "Squeeking Tires"
You might be suffering a bit from "Chain Windup". Playing with your tire pressure might help a bit.


RD

[86 Argo Twins]

That all locks bad!

Hi Martwell

We are new to this forum but not to Argos. We had bought a brand new Argo 6 Twin in 1986 and still own it today. It has almost 1200 hrs on it now. It still has the original 20x11x8 Runamuks on it. We had bought the Supertracks new two years later and put about 900 hrs on them driving in mud and snow.
We still have have the original installation leaflet. For a 6 wheeler it calls for 28 segments each side when new. For an 8 wheeler 36 segments. There is a note at the bottom, and I quote: Note: After some use the track will stretch.
A segment should then be removed from the track to take up the slack. Slipping tires or climbing out of the tracks is an indication that a segment should be removed.
We have done this after the 2nd year of use. We have never replaced pins or segments and have never driven out of the tracks.
Half segments were not available then, and we have never used them.
This is how we install them:
Jack up one side at a time and remove tire valves on all 3 wheels.
Pull track over tires and install two Ratchet Straps on the square holes in the track, one on each side. Keep hooks a few segments back to allow for take-up. The gap is almost 1 segment wide when you start. Alternately tighten straps and move track back and forth over tires when tightening till you can install the pin. This is very important as not to wind up the drivechains.
Reinstall the tire valves and pump up the tires to 2.5 psi as recomended in the instructions. We were told to never ever pump up the tires past 5 psi and we never had a need to.
To prevent the tracks from damaging the bottom of the wheel wells we installed snowmobile sliders in the grove at the outer edge of the wheel wells.
We had to mod the sliders a bit and installed them with countersunk bolts.
The sliders protrude about a 1/4 inch past the body. No damage to the wheel wells yet.
Give this a try, it worked very well for us.
Argo Twins

[86 Argo Twins]

Chain Windup

Hi Again

Just a quick remark. Rock Doctor talkes about a whining noise caused by chain wind-up. In some years we have removed the rear drive chains and basically made an idler wheel out of the rear tires. No illeffects no more noise and greater ground speed. One word of caution do not break an axle with rear drivechains removed as this will take the tension out of your track.
Good Luck.
Argo Twins

[86 Argo Twins]

TRACKS

Hi Martwell

We sure get our say today. We had another look at the pictures you posted. Your Inner Track Tire Tread pattern does not match up with the direction you have your Tires installed. Your left Tracks belong to the right side and vise versa.
Don't wreck your new tires. We envy you for those.
Argo Twins