Vampire ASXs on a Conquest?

[Pophamrt1]

Side ASX.jpg

Just a mock-up... Front tire is mounted, but other three are just propped in position. I had the ASX's off the Max IV and wanted to see what it would look like/fitment on the Conquest. Their upper treads clear the tub by about 1/4" at 4PSI mounted on RI/Max beadlock rims. Some gentle tub reshaping similar to the Max IV would give them more than enough upper tub clearance. Note that the wheel extensions are on for the 18" Supertracks, but it appears that the ASXs would fit even without them.

Front ASX.jpg

The front lip clears nicely. However, the rear lip is really tight, and that's with zero clearance tread-to-tread (tires treads touching). The front axle would need to shift forward slightly to gain enough room to clear at the rear. The rear lip would still likely have to be reshaped.

Rear ASX.jpg

The project is intriguing. The Conquests are so beefy--they share the new HDi's double 50 series chains but have a heavier frame (5” end tubes) than the Avengers. Any ideas what it would be like with a modified clutch, 35hp motor and the ASXs?

I may try the ASXs on an Avenger first to see what it would be like. I realize they have the advantage of center a center pivot and more HP, but it would be interesting to see what the weight feels like. Anyone ever put ASXs on an Avenger?

[jpswift1]

I think you'd be the first to do this. But before you start reshaping the tub, try airing the ASXs down to 1-2 PSI. That's what I run mine at and it works best for me. Plus, they're very wide and ride much softer too at that pressure. Wider tires equal lower exerted PSI by the machine on the terrain. You'll be thrilled when you see the amazing capabilities of these tires. They're the hands down best tire for any AATV that can fit them.

[Pophamrt1]

I've been running them on Max IV since December and they are truly amazing tires. The Rubicon and other trails aren't too far from me and whatever goes on there has to air up enough to take the rocks, so for fitment, I've set a minimum of 4PSI on the ASXs. At 1-2PSI they're 25.00" which I'd normally run at, but at 4PSI for rocks, etc., they're 25.25." It's just a really tight squeeze on the Conquest at 25.25". At 25.00" its simply a Bigfoot rear frame section being grafted on, which has been done to fit the 25" Rawhide IIIs. I keep going back and forth on it. That and I'm not sure how it would feel with the weight of 8 of the heavier ASXs, even if I added some center pivot to the design.

[Roger S]

It would be a pig to steer, is my guess. HP and the center axles dropped will help, from my experience. I have a GU trans ratio which helps my Response.

If you move the front axle forward, you could notch the front frame tube for the sprockets, and use the smaller avenger/frontier bearing extension housings.

The stock clutches will take 35 hp, they just don't like to spin 6000 rpm without the weights flying out occasionally. The new clutches are better, if they'll fit.

[Rock Doctor]

There is a member here that has an extended Conquest with 25" tires and a 29hp engine. I've been racking my brain to try to think of his user name, but it escapes me. I will look back and try to find him. He didn't do the mods, but it appears as though his axles were spaced out a bit, and the extra HP works well.

[Rock Doctor]

Found it,

"lakeport smoker" has a Conquest that has been modded to fit the 25" tires.


Check out this thread

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/argo-atvs/11254-looked-responce-bought-conquest.html

RD

[mightymaxIV]

Pop, If i were you I would bring those tires down to one psi and stay away from the rocks-use a heat gun to reshape your tub and then hang on. That machine will without a doubt be a killer in the mud with asx tires. With eight tires i would expect your swim speed to approach 2 mph. Try running your tires One forward one reversed or lke this <><> this system will give you better water control. If I had to I would taKe an 1/8 of an inch off of each tire to make those tires fit. I think you will be more than pleased when you are finished and I doubt that there will be any modified four wheeler in your area that could even come close to following you through the mud. When you are done with the mods-some video of your machine in action please. Jp Swift still owes us some video of his Hustler. Enjoy!!!

[Roger S]

I would want to see them work/swim on an avenger before I did anything. Also, the 25x12x9 rawhide III is around 24.25" dia, the 25x11.5x9 is a little taller. The bigfoot frame graft might still work but it would be a tighter fit than with the rawhides.

[Pophamrt1]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. I totally agree and willl try the ASXs on an Avenger in a couple of weeks and report back. I really like the Conquest... lightweight (950lbs), strong as an ox, good controls, nice build quality and feel, great room and hauling capacity. It just needs more clearance and traction.

Dan--airing down will work. But out here in the Sierras you need to air up at times, or your going to lose a tire/rim, or several. You may swim through a mud hole or out of a lake and then 1/4 mile later be in the middle of Rubicon trail boulders/rocks. Points West Argo ran a few groups of Argos through the Rubicon Trail. They had to use 10+ PSI to keep the tires seated. Pretty bumpy too. Whatever the solution to fitment is, if there is one, I'd like to keep at least 4PSI for the RI 12x10 beadlock rims.

RockDoctor--I remember the "stretched Conquest." They used a stock Conquest and grafted a Bigfoot frame on for the three rear axles. Lakeportsmoker bought it and sent me some pictures that are up in the gallery--one shows the graft point just in front of the second axle. If my calcs are right, the ASXs won't fit this method, but the Rawhide's obviously do. A good alternative for standard 25" tires though.

I'm surprised there hasn't been that much experimentation with non-Argo Avenger tires. I see the new 24 and 25" Argo factory tires being tested, but no ASX or others being put on the Avengers. I guess they do well enough with the Argo tires that no one is looking to put ASXs or other mud tires on?

[Roger S]

Points West needs to order some Mudd Ox wheels. I read once where he said to air up for the rubicon. 10 lbs of air, wow how punishing that must be. Well those rawhide III's like to fall off though. I have argo 9" wheels with the outer beads bolted and nutted through on the front outer wheels with machine screws. That was before Matt made his wheels. The other 6 I just siliconed them when mounting. I run max 2.5 in front and about 1.5 max in the back. The tires look like they're peeling off sometimes. YOU POOR ARGO OWNERS, BUY SOME MUDD OX WHEELS AND ENJOY THE SUSPENSION/TRACTION/RIDE QUALITY.

[Pophamrt1]

I haven't done the Rubicon--gearing up for it this summer. But that 10PSI+ is apparently the only thing that keeps the tires on going through pinch points, etc. with boulders rubbing on their sides. If you get a chance I'd like to see a picture of your bolted setup on the 9" argo rims.

That 10PSI+ is for the argo runamuks and frontier tires, but likely also the rawhides (I'll doublecheck though). It came up in some discussions with Blair of Points West, who organized the events. The combination of granite surfaces and high pressure tires really wore them out. If anybody on the needs an Argo resource, Blair's a great go-to guy for parts (large stock), advice, etc. He's an enthusiast at heart--if there's something you're trying to do, he not only listens but gets excited about the idea and contributes tech, low parts costs, etc. When I needed a hood for the Conquest, he was great as helping me go through the fitment issues, body reshaping, spare plastic to weld-in, latches, hinges, etc. for the Avenger hood I grafted on. Now if I could just get them to give me the GPS coordinates for their prize lake trout spot I'd be set. :')