Adair tracks

[smog]

I'm very sure the deep snow conditions will not be a problem with the adair. the extended 24" adair will outperform the 20" rubber. Soft surfaces like MUD, SNOW, SAND is perfect for deep plastic cleats.

problem is rocks / hard surface under thin snow or ice, while going uphill. or even climbing on hard surface during summer. The argo supertracks just can't do it as the plastic just keep slipping. and the harder the plastic, the worst it gets.


constructive idea :

may be water jet cutting the Adair profile in half thickness plastic sheet then sandwiching rubber strip as the wear material could do it for winter but will take away the ability the spin-o-rama you guys love to show off on paved surfaces

[pcmark]

All products have limitations, and as unbelievably capable as Argos and various tracks are, it seems like some of you are simply expecting too much out of the technology and its intended uses. At some point, if you want to win the debate and retain bragging rights, put your money into a commercial Bombardier snowcat.

[mightymaxIV]

I'm very sure the deep snow conditions will not be a problem with the adair. the extended 24" adair will outperform the 20" rubber. Soft surfaces like MUD, SNOW, SAND is perfect for deep plastic cleats.

problem is rocks / hard surface under thin snow or ice, while going uphill. or even climbing on hard surface during summer. The argo supertracks just can't do it as the plastic just keep slipping. and the harder the plastic, the worst it gets.


constructive idea :

may be water jet cutting the Adair profile in half thickness plastic sheet then sandwiching rubber strip as the wear material could do it for winter but will take away the ability the spin-o-rama you guys love to show off on paved surfaces

Smog-This is from me, for me!

The last thing in the world I want on my Adair tracks is a rubber strip! I don't want it!!!!!!!!!!!
A rubber strip would ruin one of my major advantages!!!!
I can turn MY machine equipped with Adair tracks in the swamp, mud, trails and woods much easier then I can with tires!! It's a great advantage for me!!!!!!!!
I can spin my machine around trees with an application of throttle and stick-NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THIS WOULD RUIN THE MACHINE AND RUIN WHAT I CONSIDER VERY FUN!!!!!!!!!
It makes for less wear and tear on the machine!!!!!!
AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO CLIMB STUFF- I have had my machine my machine at Busco, Big nasty, Rocky Creek, Creek Side, River Run, Live oak, Seminole and Big Creek ATV parks. I have also had the machine in swamps where nothing else can move.

At every one of these parks there was only one machine that could move through the worse holes in the park and that was my machine with Adair tracks!!!!!!!!!

Look at the 2.37 minute mark on the last video, I have only seen three machines climb out of this hole and they were all ARGO FRONTIERS WITH ADAIR TRACKS. No one else will even try it!!!!
I have climbed up and down hills and steep grades at Rocky creek and live Oak without issues.

I have powered through holes, mud and swamp in an area about four hundred yards wide that stuck every machine at Rocky creek and had over twenty machines watch me run in circles in a swampy mud area that stuck every other machine that tried to follow me, I pulled two modified quads out of this area and drove through the same holes with no problems with a least 35 people watching.

I have had my machine high centered twice and wedged in a mud lane that was to narrow for the machine once.

I have only needed assitance coming out of a mud hole once and that was the video posted by Robbie where Fred jumped on my right front fender, the weight shift pulled me out of a hole that no one else could even move in. There were about twenty forum members who watched me drive right back through that mud lane and pull right out in the other direction.

I used to get stuck several times in one day with my Max in these same areas!!!!!!!

When it comes to rocks and climbs in your area that has nothing to do with me or where I ride!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where I ride I have out performed every other machine, quad, side by side, 6x6, 8x8 except another frontier with Adair tracks, no I am not the faster swimmer, no the machine is not perfect for everything, but it is the best mud eating swamp busting machine I have seen.

Simple facts-end of issue.

[MaxRules]

I have just recently got to experience the Adair Argo tracks for myself. Those of you that know me, know I love to ride hard and push every vehicle to it's limit. Here in Missouri, we have enough mud to get a wheeled vehicle stuck and run 'em hard to get them through, but no swamp like you Louisiana guys have. We've never had a market here for tracks before. The factory rubber tracks don't swim, they were too wide for trails, and they were so hard on the vehicle trail riding in dry conditions. Adair tracks change all that. I installed a set on a 2006 Avenger 26hp. They install right over the factory tires (25” Rawhide) with no wheel extensions or modifications to the vehicle. The tracks barely added a couple inches of width to the vehicle. That’s perfect for the riding we do.

My first test drive was just general riding on a trail. The best thing about these tracks might be the fact you can’t tell they are even on the vehicle. They steer very easy, run quiet, and take no noticeable additional power. You don’t notice them at all… until the going gets tough.

Riding a rough trail, you’ll notice the ride has been smoothed out. Running over brush, downed trees, or even ruts is a lot more comfortable. Then it was time to take a swim in an old farm pond with some marsh. The tracks swim very nice as you’ll see in the videos. I’ve run every wheeled vehicle in this pond so I know exactly what they are capable of. These tracks make it effortless to go from floating to climbing right up onto mud and marsh. Those of you that ride these conditions know Argos don’t easily do this with only tires. I was also able to exit the pond up a steep muddy bank that the Avenger with only tires wouldn’t not even pull itself up on (second video).

I look forward to a lot more riding with the Adair tracks. After 40 years of Argo trying to “Go Anywhere”… it looks like they finally can with Adair tracks.

[MaxRules]

http://youtu.be/N3qPA842S-s

http://youtu.be/oG2SrZ4-Vr8

[Rock Doctor]

I know my opinion is not aligned with all the Adair fan club here on 6x6 world but here is a picture of an Actual Adair SNOW track with STUDS as received from Adair
I think that part of the reason for this is that the argument seems to be comparing Apples to Oranges. You appear to be of the opinion that Rubber Tracks are the BEST option because they work better on hard packed, icey, frozen, rocky trails. At his point, I agree that rubber is better in those specific condition, and if you only use tracks in the winter, they may in fact be the best option for YOU. The other side is arguing that Adair Tracks are the BEST option because they are better in ALL conditions other than frozen, rocky, icey trails. Both sides seem to be right, for their particular type of conditions. Now, how can this be a viable argument from either side when you have NEVER run rubber tracks in the summer, nor even seen tracks of any kind in the summer, and the ADAIR fan club has quite limited experience in the Deep Canadian Snow?
Personally, I have a set of Standard Tracks, Supertracks, Rubber Tracks, and Adair Tracks. ALL have their advantages and disadvantages in my experience, but there is no harm in trying to improve any of them. I trust the studs RD will add on his tracks will be a bit better than the original 1/4" or 3/16" bolts meant to act as studs. and that already broke or bent on the first road crossing.
I may not know a lot about Studs and such, but I do know that those same studs are put in Snowmobile Tracks and spun way faster with up to 6 times the HP that an Argo can generate. They seem to work in that application. While I am getting some Pics and Studs for testing purposes, I am mostly interested in the Cleats, I think they will help alot.that's why I said I want to see it myself in the north east winter conditions with a lot of ice, snow and rocky terrains before throwing 4800$ for a set delivered here in Canada.

There is that $4800 number again, are you intentionally exagerating? I have recieved my tracks from Adair, and was charged the same price as advertised on their website. It was no where near $4800, and if I'm not mistaken, I am further from them than you are.I would be VERY happy to have a set of track that swim AND grip on rocks/ice, I know the Adair guys are reading so please think about a way to keep your edge in Mountain conditions. Because, as-is, plastic is not an option here, even in summer.

That would make me happy too, but experience tells me that the rubber tracks lack of ability to swim is the least of their problems in the summer time.
I think that Adair is in fact attempting to address your concerns with mountian conditions. The problem is that they don't have many "Snow Track" versions out there, and may not have recieved much in the way of feedback on their ability. Maybe if we get back to them with experiences and feedback on our exploits we can help them make a better product. That has to be better than just turning a blind eye, or saying they are inferior because they are not as good in one particular application (Regardless of how they outperform other tracks in many other areas)[/SIZE]

Cheers
RD

[smog]

4880$ was final pricing including the base avenger 8x8 tracks (3000$us), the wheel spacers (300$us), the snow extensions for 21.5" total width, the transport (450$us), the duty fees and the taxes.

That has to be better than just turning a blind eye, or saying they are inferior because they are not as good in one particular application (Regardless of how they outperform other tracks in many other areas)

I'm telling Canadians to WAIT to see how it perform in icy winter conditions but I kept being told how amazing it is in mud.... with video proof... I don't give a fudge about the mud no matter how thick or sticky it is, I'm talking about ice and rocks... Later this winter I WILL see a set on the same trails as me then I will report back if the design is good for the icy north-eastern conditions, something the rubber is perfect for.

But no, rubber tracks will never swim and are harder on the machine.

[mightymaxIV]

Smog:

Since I will never run my machine in snow or ice, since I live in the South East and my machine is equipped with "MUD TRACKS" or multi purpose swamp, mud, trail, climbing, don't require power, don't abuse the machine, turn easy, I can run over 20 mph with them on, no wear and tear tracks that have smoked every modifed quad and side by side within 400 miles.

The Adair system suits my needs perfectly and I haven't seen anything that comes close for my needs.

Nothing is perfect.

[smog]

Nothing is perfect.

I understand the Adair system is pretty close but I just want to see how it will grab in our conditions.

I'm happy you guys are putting the chain link system in mud so it will show us how durable it is under the worst abrasive conditions

I'm also very happy RockDoctor got a set because we all know what he is doing with the conquest and he keep things very well documented.

[Rock Doctor]

I understand the Adair system is pretty close but I just want to see how it will grab in our conditions.

I'm happy you guys are putting the chain link system in mud so it will show us how durable it is under the worst abrasive conditions

I'm also very happy RockDoctor got a set because we all know what he is doing with the conquest and he keep things very well documented.

smog, I think you and I are mostly on the same page here, but we may be aproaching it from slightly different angles. Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing, and hopefully seeing, how you make out. I will also be testing different setups, and will give it to you straight. If I can't make these things work in the Winter Conditions, I will tell you about it. If they are the BEST Muskeg Track out there, I will tell you about that too.
You and I both have to keep something in mind:
You have to understand that "us Canadians" don't JUST run tracks in the Winter (Although that is what I personally do most of the time, the whole point of me getting the Adair Tracks was to run them in the Summer). I know of quite a lot of machines that have NEVER touched a tire to the ground.
I have to keep in mind that there are guys, such as yourself, that have never even tried or seen an Argo on tracks in the Summer. Personally I am hoping to be pleasantly suprised at how well they work in the mud/muck. For me it's just a bonus if they work in the Winter, but either way, I will tell the world

Cheers
RD

[smog]

If I ever get a set because I'm satisfied with the winter performance, I will NOT remove the tracks for summer.

[Rock Doctor]

4880$ was final pricing including the base avenger 8x8 tracks (3000$us), the wheel spacers (300$us), the snow extensions for 21.5" total width, the transport (450$us), the duty fees and the taxes.

Ahhh, gotcha. I didn't know you were running an Avenger, I didn't consider the Wheel Spacers as part of the track (I already had some from my other tracks), and for some reason the shipping was considerably less to me than it was to you.
So, it cost over $1,100 for the Snow extensions?
The Base Price was $3,000 for the tracks, and that includes the narrow mud track spacers to make the tracks 14.5" wide, right?
So you have a set of narrow Mud Tracks and a set of wide Snow tracks for a price of $4,880. Sounds like a pretty good deal

No, I did that wrong, I missed the taxes and Duty thing. I also think you must have had them shipped assembled..........is that right?

RD

[Rock Doctor]

If I ever get a set because I'm satisfied with the winter performance, I will NOT remove the tracks for summer.

Why not, you already said that nobody in your area uses tracks in the Summer because they are not needed in any way.
Lets face it, Plastic Tracks are going to need some type of Traction Enhancers for Winter operation. They will either have to be removed from the tracks in the summer, or the tracks themselves will have to be removed. You already have a set of Rubber Tracks that you are satisfied with for Winter operation. I have a feeling that too much "Jewelry" on the tracks will make it VERY hard to turn the machine in the Summer. Why not take advantage of both your options.

RD

[smog]

it's not mine but the sentier6x6 member with the Avenger had the tracks shipped assembled on a pallet.

would NEVER spend that much money on a track set. Last year, I paid 4000$ us for my Max4 2008... on ebay

the 700$ rubber track set I made is just perfectly fitting in my price range

[Rock Doctor]

it's not mine but the sentier6x6 member with the Avenger had the tracks shipped assembled on a pallet.

would NEVER spend that much money on a track set. Last year, I paid 4000$ us for my Max4 2008... on ebay

the 700$ rubber track set I made is just perfectly fitting in my price range

Oh, OK, That would bring the shipping price up.

That's a good price for the Max, I think. I paid $7,500 for my 2004 Conquest when it was 2yrs old. It came with 4200lb winch, soft top, Supertracks, and a bunch of bad bearings

My kids Conquest is a 98 and came with Winch and Rubber Tracks. All new bearings and chains, ect. I thought that was pretty good too.



RD