I need s better secondary clutch...

[Rusty-Gunn]

I just discovered the secondary clutch, which is supposed to be a factory clutch sold by MFGSupply, lost one of the cam slider buttons. Again. I am getting frustrated by this. I installed new ones a month ago. (These were also frm MFG) Dumping slider buttons too often.
What causes this?
Are there better and stronger sliders available?
Is there a better secondary, with wheels, not sliders, that fit a T20?
Thank you.

[reneeandjustin67]

are they getting worn out or just falling out?

[Rusty-Gunn]

They break off, leaving the stud in the mounting hole. Is there stronger sliders than what MFGSupply sells? I have no idea exactly what material they are made from, but are a plastic material of some sort.

[Canadian_Zuk]

Are your helix ramps smooth or galled up from a the shoes coming off? Is it always the same shoe that comes off? I would try to smooth out the ramps, they may be grabbing the shoe and dragging it off the post.

[Rusty-Gunn]

The ramps are all smooth. I don't know if its the same one to fall off, I didn't mark them.
Are there stronger sliders, like glass-filled nylon, or something?
How about another clutch that has wheels instead of buttons?

[msafi65]

Are you replacing all 3 at the same time? If there is any wear they will
Put more load on the new one.

[Rusty-Gunn]

Yes, I did change out all three together. Maybe this clutch hates me and its protesting. Lol
Are there stronger sliders then these plastic ones?
Better yet, is there a replacement secondary that has wheels, not sliders?
Sliders are cheaper, so I am looking for stronger sliders first. Thank you.

[Rusty-Gunn]

I have a theory... if my clutch is not oiled well at the spring area, could it be sticking open, then slam shut against the belt, thus breaking a slider?
I keep forgetting to lube it each time we grease bearings and chains. Maybe it's pilot error, eh?
I got to figure this out.
BTW, the original secondary also tossed a few sliders, so I replaced iy with the one on the Max now, ordered from MFGSupply.

[Canadian_Zuk]

Yeah, there are many companies that make aftermarket roller secondary clutches. My other money pit is my Can Am Renegade ATV that I have full aftermarket clutches on. I have an STM Rage 6 primary clutch and an STM Roller secondary. These clutches can be tuned to just about any application by changing weights, springs, etc... The STM roller secondary is a thing of beauty with many spring and helix options to choose from. I have 4 different Helixs for my ATV depending on what tires I'm running or where I'm running the ATV. I have the standard straight 45 degree helix for everyday trail riding, the 35 degree Helix for when I'm running huge tires in the mud pits and a straight 40 and 45/40 for mixed riding. I'm sure it would be easy to adapt one to the T-20 input but thats a lot of cheese to dish out for little gains on a Max. It would be interesting to try an STM secondary with a helix that has the engine braking ramp, maybe steep down hills would be less sketchy with engine braking.

[Rusty-Gunn]

I decided to purchase a new secondary fro MFG Supply. I figure to be lubing it a lot more this time around. Not enough lube could have contributed to it's issues.