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  • #16
    Well,Dan
    That looks like some of the beaver ponds around my home.Are you sure you didn't slip off down this way and sneak in a few vids on us!?But the area that Tectad and I are talking about is about four hours southeast of where I am to the swamp and add another two or so to get to the marsh:the Mississippi river Delta and such.I spent two weeks in January '88 wading the swamp with no waders,the sporting goods stores were closed by the time we got in and wally world was sold out of my size,I wear an 11 but after 2 weeks of that fun I was GLAD to cram my foot into an 8! Talk about cold,I have had ice form at the waterline on my clothes while I walked,so I can assure you without a doubt that the water in the Maurepas swamp during high tide comes to exactly 1 and 7/8 inches above my waistI mean I'm sure you guys up north know all about cold but try wading around a swamp or just get in the creek and walk all day when it's a blistering 22 degrees out. Thats cold no matter where you are and if its worse than that-I ain't going.
    So you can imagine how glad I was to accept a position with the recording crew,that's when I got to really see the swamp buggies in action.As far as which is worse I haven't been where you are riding and my siesmograph experience has taught me that every place has its own special challenges to conquer.We used different machines in each terrain type.The reason I suggest tracks for Tectad's area is as follows;
    In southeast Oklahoma we used dozers to make roads for our equipment(rocky).
    In Northern Louisiana Highland Buggies (modified log skidders)the same for Mississippi,Alabama and Texas
    Along the Gulf Coast in all but Louisiana we used highland Buggies with tires that were at least four feet wide and some of these had duals all around for flotation.But In South Louisiana we used Swamp or Marsh Buggies
    Come to think of it that fact never really occurred to me until just now.If any of you ever get the chance to ride one of those things Please take the ride,I promise;it is a ride that you will remember from that day forward!
    DESTRUCTION is just a couple of vowels down the street from DISTRACTION

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    • #17
      Welcome to the site.
      I'm from South Louisiana also.
      The Marsh Masters are baaaad machines. Would love to have one.
      Most of the places we used to hunt, (nasty) an airboat was just faster/better than anything on wheels or tracks.
      Yea folks , our swamps are that bad.
      98 Max II Adair Tracks
      96 Max II 22" Mudbugs
      76 Attex (450 Tomahawk?)

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      • #18
        Hi,
        i have no experience with that but the usual tracks on a max have not much profile, so they are good with snow or ground but worse in water.
        I think dual wheels not only lower the ground pressure, they also double the profile and so the traction. In my opinion they must be better for that.
        What do you think about that argument?
        And dont forget the waterpropulsion.

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        • #19
          Don't know how you would get much water speed with any of these options,add a go-devil maybe?If speed is what you want the airboat is the only way to go,but they are really really loud and talk about wind chill-more like freezer burn-oouuchie!Afraid dualies could be detrimental to manuverability.But I really like that Gaterfoot setup.That would be so easy to adapt to an amphib that I think my kids could do it!But it is true that water speed would be an issue.
          DESTRUCTION is just a couple of vowels down the street from DISTRACTION

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          • #20
            Gator Foot

            Boy I'd like to see the guys at gatorfoot outfit an amphib with their track system! I'm sure it could be done. As far as my max I think the dual tires would be my best bet. I think the lower psi, and added floatation will be the way to go. I'm not very worried about the width because I have 5000 acres of marsh to turn on!

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            • #21
              BIN THERE

              I Have A Maxii,stock Tires,and Swapped The 14hp It Came With To A 23hp. I Was Born In The Marsh.way,way South.salt Water Is A Killer! The Best Advice I Could Give Would Be To Bring A Crazy Cajun Buddy Along,who Aint Scared To Get Out And Help Push(winter = Waders).you Will Get Stuck,but She Wont Bury Like Your 4-wheeler,she Unsticks Fairly Easy.i Have A String On The Throt.so I Can Gas While Outside.
              I Was Seriously Thinking About Duals But I Have Hollow Axles.
              My Latest Brainfart Is The Dual Kit For Fwd & Rear With Angle-iron
              For Paddles On The Outside Rims Instead Of Tires.(inside Tires Will Be Taller Than Paddles.paddles Will Not Touch Hard Ground.)
              But First,i Need To Fix My Busted Muffler!

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              • #22
                How much do the gator foot tracks cost?
                98 Max II Adair Tracks
                96 Max II 22" Mudbugs
                76 Attex (450 Tomahawk?)

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                • #23
                  gator foot

                  I have no idea how much the gator foot set up runs, but i'm sure it's high. I too have been brainstorming on what would work best for my marshy environment. I would like to keep the 16 hp engine for now and try to keep the vehicle close to it's stock width (to fit on my trailer). I think after trying it out (once i get it-snowstorms delaying shipping) I will test the limits of the machime first. Paddles may work to get out of slushy mud. I think my best bet would be a lower psi. I don't know the difference in weight, but I would think the dual tire kit when it's all said and dome would be my best bet. I have no problem adding a different gear to increase power. I'm not too worried about top end speed. I think it would swim much better with duals too. Has anyone tried duals before on here?

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                  • #24
                    Bush Swamper

                    Hey, how about a 16 wheeler, just helping the brain-storming. Did someone say low psi. on the ground.

                    They also made a 24 wheeler later on called a "Grizzly", I believe theirs a pic in the Gallery.
                    Attached Files

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                    • #25
                      What tires are those, they're bigger than 8" wheels aren't they?

                      "A dollar gas, and check the tires, please."
                      Last edited by Roger S; 02-03-2009, 05:12 PM.
                      To Invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. (Thomas Edison)

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                      • #26
                        I think that machine was developed by a tire manufacturer just so they could sell some more tires. Could you imagine having to replace them? I'll take 16 frontier tires please

                        Here's the brochure in the gallery but it doesn't mention wheel size Roger: http://www.6x6world.com/forums/brand...h-swamper.html

                        My favorite part is that you can add the 8 other tires for "more flotation". I can just see someone looking at it, scratching their head and saying, "You know what this 16 wheeled ATV needs...more flotation."

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                        • #27
                          bush swamper

                          Good lord that thing has a bunch of tires! I picked up a set of spacers on ebay for $50 today and I'm thinking I can modify them with an insert to make the two piece "pinned" dual wheel spacers. This way I can unpin the extra set of tires and ride my max onto my 5' wide trailer. This way with the insertion of a pin I can go 6 wheels to 12 or back again without fooling with lug wrenches. Does anyone have a set of bearing cages for a max II they wanna get rid of? I definately want to add those.

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                          • #28
                            Tire Size

                            Roger, I can't remember the tire size, but when I took these pictures a few years back I think they were 25" x 9". At the time I could have purchased it for $700. I was going to update the design. The owner (who was the shop foreman when they built these vehicles in Northern Ontario), told me that he was only stopped once in the bush. It had 2 separate gearboxes, so you could counter-rotate. He also said it wasn't that stable in the water.

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                            • #29
                              I think they were 25" x 9"


                              How did that tire not survive! A 25x9 runamuk/chevron, a perfect size.
                              To Invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. (Thomas Edison)

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                              • #30
                                max II tracks

                                Does anybody know what would be the best tracks to put on a max II to be used in mud? Does anybody have any for sale? If I do decide to go with tracks, would someone be interested in trading my 22" rawhide 3's for some 21" tires that can be used with a track system? My tires are in about 7/8 shape. I'm also gonna be looking for the bearing cages.

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