Mudd-Ox satisfaction

[mudslinger]

Has anyone bought a Mudd-Ox and decided they wanted to sell it and get a different AATV after owning and using the Ox for a while? I am considering buying one and was wondering if anyone was dissatisfied enough after using it for a while to actually trade it in on a different machine, test driving it is one thing, owning and using it for a while is quite another. Thanks.

[mudbug3]

I owned a Mudd-Ox demo that I bought with only 42 hours on in late 2010. I sold it in 2011 at a loss to buy an Argo 6x6 beause the argo has much better resale value, better dealer network, and is a -----> whole lot easier to work on. The Mudd-Ox is much more complicated to do repairs on when compared the Argo frontier 6x6 that I own now. The smaller and lighter Argo 6x6 was much easier to get though tight places on the trails where I ride at too. After owning a Mudd-Ox and then owning an Argo 6x6, the smaller and lighter Argo is much more fun to drive.I could rarely get Matt on the phone to ask any questions about the Mudd-Ox when I owned it, and the only Mudd-Ox dealer that I found on the web and that knew much about a Mudd-Ox ,was a Mudd-Ox dealer in Alaska. I live in Louisiana, and each time I had a technical question about my Mudd-Ox I had to call the Mudd-Ox dealer in Alaska !!! Read every thing on this forum about a Mudd-Ox before deciding to buy one.

[kghills]

That's sort of funny Dave. As I was reading your response I was thinking to myself most of your reasons for going to an argo are the reasons I sold my argo and bought a max.

Keith.

[Matt O.]

I owned a Mudd-Ox demo that I bought with only 42 hours on in late 2010. I sold it in 2011 at a loss to buy an Argo 6x6 beause the argo has much better resale value, better dealer network, and is a -----> whole lot easier to work on. The Mudd-Ox is much more complicated to do repairs on when compared the Argo frontier 6x6 that I own now. The smaller and lighter Argo 6x6 was much easier to get though tight places on the trails where I ride at too. After owning a Mudd-Ox and then owning an Argo 6x6, the smaller and lighter Argo is much more fun to drive.I could rarely get Matt on the phone to ask any questions about the Mudd-Ox when I owned it, and the only Mudd-Ox dealer that I found on the web and that knew much about them ,was a Mudd-Ox dealer in Alaska. Read every thing on this forum about a Mudd-Ox before deciding to buy one.

Please know that everyone here at Mudd-Ox takes pride in customer service after the sale. Yes in the past when we were a start up company and was working many hours 7 days a week building the Mudd-Ox and all of the support systems and a few customers were unhappy with our service. Most were very happy but only the unhappy tend to post. I am committed to all of my customers and I am one of the few company owners you can talk to on the phone and will help with what ever your needs are in the AATV world. I spend alot of time helping people get into the sport giving them information on all of the machines from old to new. In the last year or so we have added more staff, a full machine shop, added on to our production area, we now stock every part, accessory, and production machine we sell. I listen to my customers and make improvements on the Mudd-Ox to make it the best machine out there. They are now easy to work on and maintain. Many people will say we have made very large improvments in customer service over this time. I have been bringing very good press and support to our sport. I Support a few large rides a year giving everyone a chance to meet, ride and have fun. It does not matter what you ride as long as you are there having fun with your AATV!!!

Regards,

Matt

[Cougar]

I have never had to work on mine. I am going to sell mine next year to get a new one. The only thing I had happen was my top got a rip in it this year. I call Matt and he sent me a new one at no charge. Hope this helps. Cougar

[kghills]

I have seen only one Mud-Ox personally in action. To say in action is an understatement. For the size and power the machine possessed it seemed very nimble. I know that if I had a use for a larger machine I would not hesitate to buy one. I have recently had dealings with Matt the owner of Mudd-Ox and always found him to be both accessible and responsive . If resale is an issue for you you may want to look into a used unit as any new AATV will take a sizable loss after it leaves the dealership. Just sort of the nature of things.

Keith.

[Buzz]

I've had great service and actually bought a 2nd mudd-ox this past year. Trust me, I wouldn't have done that if I wasn't happy. I don't think they're difficult to work on at all. Some people may be initimidated by some metal shroud that affects visibility in the engine compartment. Far better suited as a heavy-duty work rig than as a terrain park play around rig. Most any rig can accomplish that. I will say that your impression of the machine gets better and better as you learn how to "make them perform" and understand how they should be set up. More than once I've gotten Matt on the phone (or satellite phone) to help me. The alaska dealer is also very helpful too. I am close to getting some mudd-ox video posted (escargo tracks) as I have them on both rigs now. My sole intention is to help others with information. I never had that when I sold my argo and bought my first Mudd-ox. I have been able to deal with every bump in the road and have zero complaints. Well, except for the occasional bad press that some people keep pushing. I will follow through with the video too as there's not much new stuff out there.

[mudslinger]

Thanks mudbug3 for your candid response, it seems my thread struck a nerve with current Mudd-Ox owners, which wasn't my intention and was why I posted my thread on the general discussion forum before Mike the moderator moved it to the Mudd-Ox forum. I really wanted to expose the thread to people that have other machines than the Ox to see if they own something else after having an Ox, knowing that anyone monitoring the Ox forum would most likely not be the person I was looking for. So I lucked out by having you chime in and I appreciate the feedback.

Mike the moderator, any chance you could put this thread back into the general discussion forum?

[mudbug3]

I have never had to work on mine. I am going to sell mine next year to get a new one. The only thing I had happen was my top got a rip in it this year. I call Matt and he sent me a new one at no charge. Hope this helps. Cougar

I had the altenator belt break and the auto , hydrolic cooling fan stop working the second day that I owned my Mudd-Ox. If you live close to Matt's shop your story will probably be a whole lot different from the rest of the forum members that have bought a Mudd-Ox. Matt promised to send me the parts that we ' both agreed on ' the same day that I took possession of my used Mudd-Ox demo ,and it took me almost 6 months to get the parts that he promised to send me.

[mudbug3]

[QUOTE=kghills ]I have seen only one Mud-Ox personally in action. To say in action is an understatement. For the size and power the machine possessed it seemed very nimble. I know that if I had a use for a larger machine I would not hesitate to buy one. I have recently had dealings with Matt the owner of Mudd-Ox and always found him to be both accessible and responsive . If resale is an issue for you you may want to look into a used unit as any new AATV will take a sizable loss after it leaves the dealership. Just sort of the nature of things.


I bought my 2010 Mudd-Ox used with only 42 hours on it and still took a BIG loss after owning it for one year! The resale value of a Mudd-Ox drops like a rock!

[toni5091]

I normally don't post, but I will since this is about Matt. You could not meet a nicer guy. Matt has either owned or driven every machine out there. He has taken all of that knowledge and created a machine, (MuddOx). He tested it for years and put it into production and then to market. No one on this website has done this, that I know of.
I have owned a couple machines, the amphicat and the MaxIV, which I had fun with but the MuddOx is a whole new game. The MuddOx is more comfortable, more manueverable, safer, and all around a pleasure to drive.
There are always going to be 1 or 2 people that will be unhappy no matter what you do for them. I do not see too many MuddOx's for sale unless someone is upgrading. That's just my opinion. As far as resale goes, selling the machine at a loss, is the seller's financial situation not Matt's.
There is one thing that I did not like about the machine, and that was the Rawhide III tires. I never cared for them so I had them replaced before it left the factory. I know Matt is currently working on his own brand of tire.
When I took my machine back to have a skidplate installed, Matt's team also went over everything such as adjusting the chains, lube, greased all bearings, and changed the hydraulic fluid. He did all of this at No Charge which included the installation of the skidplate.
As far as me and my MuddOx, nothing but fun!

[thebuggyman1]

I bought my 2010 Mudd-Ox used with only 42 hours on it and still took a BIG loss after owning it for one year! The resale value of a Mudd-Ox drops like a rock!

Funny, I've had that same issue with every new car I've ever bought. And don't get me started on the John Deere tractor I bought in 2000....green paint is supposed to have much better resale, huh, yeah right. Think about it, why would anyone pay close to new price on a used item? I won't...if used isn't cheap enough, I'll buy new! And if anybody is "giving away" a used Mudd-ox, let me know.

[kghills]

Thanks mudbug3 for your candid response, it seems my thread struck a nerve with current Mudd-Ox owners, which wasn't my intention...

Following this thread because I have had sort of the same question as your original post. Not only about the Mudd-Ox but also about the New Argos with the Admiral transmission. I think you are 100% correct that a test drive and ownership do not always play out exactly the same. I have personally owned an AATV since 1995. And yes I bought my first one new with only a test drive. I think with any machine it is important to look at the intended use and see if the machines configuration fits. Also it has been my experience that there is a big difference between an 8x8 and a 6x6 no matter what brand you are compareing. I think it is good you are asking the questions you are asking and getting some first hand feedback. Here is a video that you may find interesting if you have not already come across it.

I love this video for a number of reasons. The number one reason? Tim is really having fun, just look at him.

I would like to add a couple of other things I feel are relevant to this discussion. If you were to search on the Argo thread or look at low hour Avengers like I have I think you will find many machines that require new chains and a couple bearings. You will also find owners complain that they are not that easy to work on. Probably why they need bearings because some are a pain to get to fore greasing. Also parts can be hard to get and sometimes a little pricey. And Argo is a company that has been around for some time and had a chance to establish a network of dealers for parts and service. Also I think when evaluating resale of newer machines of any brand we all realize there will be a sginifigant amount initial depreciation. I think a person needs to be realistic and realize this will be percentage based and also that with the really expensive machines the market is smaller so you may take even more of a loss. This seems to be true with all the brands currently in production.

Also when looking at Matt and the Mudd-Ox brand. This is a new and growing company with a sole owner is my understanding. Given it IS growing and expanding in todays economy is very positive. With any product there are bound to be problems, from what I can see they are or have been addressed and the company is moving forward.

In looking at and watching the newer bigger 8x8 machines I know if I were to make the leap to this sort of AATV the choice would be clear, Mudd-Ox.

Keith.

[mudbug3]

Funny, I've had that same issue with every new car I've ever bought. And don't get me started on the John Deere tractor I bought in 2000....green paint is supposed to have much better resale, huh, yeah right. Think about it, why would anyone pay close to new price on a used item? I won't...if used isn't cheap enough, I'll buy new! And if anybody is "giving away" a used Mudd-ox, let me know.

I did'nt buy my Max IV ,Mudd-Ox or Argo for resale value. I was just saying that compared to an Argo in the same price range , the Mudd-Ox looses resale value much faster.

[mudbug3]

kghills

This video that you posted of Tim driving the Mudd-Ox when I owned it is my favorite Mudd-Ox video! Tim was really putting on a show that day driving my Mudd-Ox.