Mudd-Ox in a 6x6 version? (please?)

[Dirty Harry]

Are there any plans later down the road for Matt and his crew to produce a Mudd-Ox "lite" ?? An 8x8 is just too much for my needs, (weekend fun-running with minimal gear-hauling on tight, thickly-wooded trails). When the time comes to replace my Max II I'd rather go with a beefy unit like the M-O, but only if it's in a more compact 6WD size.

I even did a quicky photo-shopped to give folks an idea of what COULD be...

Whatta ya say Matt? Any chance at all???

[Amphiman1]

mini mudd

I think it would be too heavy and slow...?? I hear rumors that another company will be producing something like a bigger machine like a hustler /big max... for about 8,000.00+

[chapy]

that is a great idea. Love the photoshop. You did a good job

[trebmaster]

Matt told me about a year ago that a 6x6 was in the works but have herd nothing since, It sure would be nice!

[Roger S]

Early on Matt planned on a 6x6 eventually. I think it's too much trouble for him now, as popular as the 8 is. For a 6x6 that's not as big as a maxIV, the argo Frontier is the thing to get, nothing more comfortable and all around capable than it is.

[Dirty Harry]

Not to offend some folks, but I personally don't care for Argo. Besides, for what they charge I'd rather pay that amount and get something I know is more heavy-duty. Matt has proven he is committed to constantly (and surprisingly rapidly) improving his product; much of it thru interaction via customer feedback. ODG, and especially RI, seem to drag their collective feet about getting improvements put into their machines, and those two have a larger, far better established corporate base than a young upstart like Matt, so there's truly no excuse - except being cheap and just churning out the same old thing because there's really no competition except each other. That's simply not the case anymore fellas. Wake up and smell the coffee!

I mean look at the existing Max II. How hard would it really be to do a small bit of tinkering to spread the axle set-up slightly and raising the line of the front lower body tub section a couple of inches in order to allow for fitting of larger tires like ODG's Bigfoot? (Which is about the only Argo I care for - at least in the looks department.) They also need to get off their collective butts and work out a way to bring back the 9" rims for the IV and Buff so the fatter 25" tires can be used, which give a much, much softer ride. (Hey now... those would really be welcome on the Max II, as well!!)

Personally I'm not concerned so much with speed as I am with comfort and more importantly, ruggedness - which is where the Ox really shines. Where I ride the trees & undergrowth are too thick to be zipping around. Anything over 10 - 15mph would get you wrapped around a tree. (Actually, by porting over the existing Ox internal components for a 6x6 version, I think the compact Ox would be a little quicker than the same beast in an 8x8 configuration since there'd be less frame & body = less weight.)

While I'm dreaming, I'd rather that the back of a shorter 6x Mudd-Ox be designed more along the lines of the classic Attex angled rear end, with the higher sides. Maybe multiple vents, but cut farther back from the front section to keep heat further away from the driver & passenger. It would allow for better cooling, but screen it in to keep junk out of the engine bay. Another plus of using higher sides in the cargo section would be allowing for more gear to be stacked & stored behind the motor hump. Something sorta like this...


I changed the lines and raised the sides in the passenger section a bit to help keep folks from sliding during the rough stuff.

[mudbug3]

Dirty Harry,


The angled sides on the 6x6 Mudd-Ox , that was made possible by using Photo Shop , sure makes it look a lot more visually balanced.

[Dirty Harry]

Another thing. Could we get it in classic 70's G.I. Joe Adventure Team yellow???????

[Bw6]

Well Said

Dirty Harry, AMEN, i like the way you think!

[SWAMP HAWG]

Damn , I'm onboard . Put some highlifter Outlaws on it too!

[mudslinger]

And while we are helping Matt design his next vehicle, let's get an engine that is fuel injected so we don't have to deal with a choke, carburetor icing, vapor lock, higher fuel consumption, higher emissions, and altitude fussiness. A diesel option would probably be too ambitious, but something to look at down the road if it weren't too noisy or didn't produce too much vibration.

[rdr]

Not to offend some folks, but I personally don't care for Argo. Besides, for what they charge I'd rather pay that amount and get something I know is more heavy-duty. Matt has proven he is committed to constantly (and surprisingly rapidly) improving his product; much of it thru interaction via customer feedback. ODG, and especially RI, seem to drag their collective feet about getting improvements put into their machines, and those two have a larger, far better established corporate base than a young upstart like Matt, so there's truly no excuse - except being cheap and just churning out the same old thing because there's really no competition except each other. That's simply not the case anymore fellas. Wake up and smell the coffee!

I mean look at the existing Max II. How hard would it really be to do a small bit of tinkering to spread the axle set-up slightly and raising the line of the front lower body tub section a couple of inches in order to allow for fitting of larger tires like ODG's Bigfoot? (Which is about the only Argo I care for - at least in the looks department.) They also need to get off their collective butts and work out a way to bring back the 9" rims for the IV and Buff so the fatter 25" tires can be used, which give a much, much softer ride. (Hey now... those would really be welcome on the Max II, as well!!)

Personally I'm not concerned so much with speed as I am with comfort and more importantly, ruggedness - which is where the Ox really shines. Where I ride the trees & undergrowth are too thick to be zipping around. Anything over 10 - 15mph would get you wrapped around a tree. (Actually, by porting over the existing Ox internal components for a 6x6 version, I think the compact Ox would be a little quicker than the same beast in an 8x8 configuration since there'd be less frame & body = less weight.)

While I'm dreaming, I'd rather that the back of a shorter 6x Mudd-Ox be designed more along the lines of the classic Attex angled rear end, with the higher sides. Maybe multiple vents, but cut farther back from the front section to keep heat further away from the driver & passenger. It would allow for better cooling, but screen it in to keep junk out of the engine bay. Another plus of using higher sides in the cargo section would be allowing for more gear to be stacked & stored behind the motor hump. Something sorta like this..

I changed the lines and raised the sides in the passenger section a bit to help keep folks from sliding during the rough stuff.

if you woun't 9 i/n rims call matt he has them. and would love to sell you a set . me i love my 26 they are wounderful swim the fastest goes most places i woun't to . . as for 1 mechine being the best . that is not true . we see it all the time on our rides . the 6x6 are better in the woods than the 8x8 and they are better in the opean ranges . and usualy go in the mud better . road with lewis and his new argo tires and it;s bad ARGO ADVENGER not been stuck in the last 2 outings. . some times mike and his 22 rawIII goes better than our IV. some time i do (max II ). mcCoy pulls out of some holes that i don't some times i do better( argo bigfoot ) . so we know that no one mechine is perfect . ROBBIE

[Matt O.]

Hi Everyone,
I just came back from the 2009 Ledges ride and what a great time!!! The weekend was filled with good people and good riding.

As most of you know I have love for the older six wheelers and have some very nice machines in my fleet. I do plan on making a six wheeler someday. I have been busy with the eight wheelers. As the 2010 Mudd-Ox 8x8 start to be shipped out I hope to have some time to build a 6x6 version.

Matt

[Dirty Harry]

Agree 100% on the fuel injection. One of the things I hate most about carbuerated engines is having to mess around with a choke. Oddly though, the 18HP Vanguard in my John Deere only requires a couple of seconds on a spring-return choke to fire up, whereas the 18HP Vanguard in my Max II needs to run for a minute or two via a more traditional push/pull choke cable before it smoothes out. (And yes, it is properly tuned and otherwise runs great.) Could there really be that much difference in Briggs motors??? What I mean is are the JD units somehow more heavy-duty or differently set-up than those put into the Max AATVs??

And Matt... I hope you don't mind that I tinkered with your 8x8 design via Photoshop. Just a little visual eyecandy for Mudd-Ox's 6x6-hungry fans. Actually I think it looks pretty bad-ass, if I do say so myself. In fact if you had the Ox in 6x and it looked like my quicky rendering I'd be at your factory with a cashier's check in-hand tomorrow morning!!

[mudbug3]

Dirty Harry,


The more I look at the Mudd-Ox that you designed ( photoshop ) with the Attex looking tub , the more I like it. With some aggressive looking Outlaw tires on it,, it would look awesome!