2013 MAX IV for sale

[Delduck]

Not at all like the tractors, but good point. max 2 Has been a max 2 for many years same with max 4

[dirtdobber]

I have a question from a practical standpoint. Not defending anyone but just a question about the industry in general. Is the aatv industry (I"m a newbie to aatv's) at all like the agricultural industry where the year model of a machine is insignificant? I'll use John Deere an example, specifically the 4850 tractor. JD manufactured the 4850 from 1983 to 1988. It (and thousands of other pieces of equipment) are commonly known to the consumer only by their model number (4850). If you need a part, you order a part for a 4850, not a 1984 model 4850. Often there are serial number breaks that distinguish the technicalities of one 4850 from another. From the buyer's perspective, year model doesn't really enter the equation, but hours, condition, tire type/condition, options (quick hitch, MFWD, transmission type, weights, radio, extra hydraulic remotes, etc.) mean everything. Year model may appear on the bill of sale or other docs, but year model doesn't matter from a practical standpoint.

Are aatv's viewed in a similar light? I often look at the ads for these machines and the only reason year model would be important is if it signified a noteworthy design change/improvement (hollow axles to splined axles). I'm more interested in the condition of the machine, quality of the components, hours of use, accessories, etc. rather than what year it was manufactured. Year model in the automobile industry is a huge deal because that's how the industry has organized itself, and in addition to being necessary transportation cars are a status symbol....the newer the car the higher your status, and newness can only be measured by year model.

I guess my question is this: How important is the year model in the aatv industry? I"m not suggesting Jcarr's situation is ok, just asking.

[jpswift1]

That is the factory demo machine in my avatar picture!

Funny thing is that the picture of me driving it was taken around 2006. Who told you it was a 2013? I'm sorry to see that you were scammed, because that machine is about 13 years older than that.

I put a rear winch on that machine for a senior project when I was going to school for engineering and working for RI. That was in 2008. The holes I drilled for the mounting can be seen in the ebay listing picture of the rear of the vehicle. https://goo.gl/photos/TAR8AGixu1CPS9ZS6


That Max IV had some alternate design and brand outer bearings that were being tested for durability, and some modifications were made to make them fit. This and other modifications could make finding replacement parts difficult. It also had a 29 hp Kawasaki engine in it back then, which is why it has the taller engine cover on it.

I see machines being sold as way newer than they are all the time, and it really bothers me to see people get taken. That one I just had to comment on, as my avatar picture is of me driving that "2013" back in about 2006, when the machine already had many hours of hard use on it and was several years old.

JPSwift, if you read this, this is the machine I took you for a ride in when I first met you at Copper Ridge, in Olean NY. What year was that? 2005? I think that was the same year I first met Egoperf there as well... wow great memories....

I confirmed the serial number of this machine with Max and the ebay listing before posting this.

You're absolutely right Dan, that's when you met me and Brady. You've got a good memory, it was the Summer of 2005 at Copper Ridge Trails in Olean, NY. We can both say for a fact that we were all in that exact machine.

Regardless of what was said the manufacturer changing the year of a machine is deception. I hope someone brings criminal charges. That is wrong

I certainly believe that the law states something along the lines of, if a manufacturer that knowingly and intentionally altered the year of manufacture of a machine and then proceeded to sell it to an unaware buyer(across state lines in this case), this manufacturer is guilty of committing a fraudulent interstate transaction.

[egoperf]

Regardless of what was said the manufacturer changing the year of a machine is deception. I hope someone brings criminal charges. That is wrong

[Mike]

Yeah, that's not cool at all. What age was he told the machine was, if any? When I spoke with jcarr343 he did say he knew it was an older unit and not a 2013 so he had some idea that it was older but how much?

[wedge]

That is True AND you could still get the when in Buffalo !!!

[egoperf]

This kind of thing never happened when they were made in Buffalo. Hmm

[62saab]

Re:2013 max iv

Hmmmmmm....I'm new here,and have been following this thread also. My concern is regarding the dating of any machine by the manufacturer or dealer if it's done any differently than in the automotive industry (and several hundred other commodities).
Is this 'dating when officially sold/put into operation by a dealer typical of the aatv industry ?? Damn,I hope not.....that would play havoc with the valuation of a vehicle. Maybe typical of a 'cottage industry',I dunno.....

[whipper-ag]

Could that be icing on the cake or what?
Just the facts man, nothing but the facts.
So what do you do with scammers like that???




Whipper

[Hey_Dan]

I spoke with the seller, and he sent me a picture of the invoice from Muddox. It says 2013 MAX IV, and has the serial number of the old Recreatives 2000 used demo.

I told him I would not post it as it has his personal information on it.

This explains his initial insistence that it is a 2013.

He was not told the actual age of the machine, and it is currently registered as a 2013.

[Model Citizen]

When we were a dealer quite a few years ago we purchased a MAX II machine to be used as a demo, but we were also willing to sell it. It was a 2006 and the serial number reflected what year the machine was. Well, we did some HUGE changes to it, mostly by modifying it into a springer & were able to sell it to a great dealer DOWN UNDER in 2011. The INVOICE reflected the truth of what we shipped. A 2006 MAXII springer. There is no denying those serial numbers assigned to the vehicles by R.I. They are the VIN # assigned to the machines. It's that easy.
Jcarr343 stated that the INVOICE said 2013 Model. Assuming that he didn't type up the invoice that's sounds "substantial".
And.. Heydan, sooo very.very proud of you. It's not easy or fun to call out stuff. Usually gets us in trouble.

Bridget

[Hey_Dan]

Pm sent

[jcarr343]

Send me your contact info. I would be happy to chat tomorrow.

[Hey_Dan]

Jcarr343, If you were scammed, then I am sorry to hear that. Unfortunately you know firsthand how much it sucks, and hopefully you understand why I want to prevent this from happening. I will pm you with my cell number, and I hope you will call or text me if can help you in any way with information on the machine.

I would not expect a first time Max buyer to spot the problems with this sale, and that is exactly why I was so concerned.

Like all of our site members, I want to promote our hobby and bring new people in. To have someone new to AATVs get burned so bad is just horrible for our hobby.

[Mike]

You don't have to do anything but disclose what you know about the machine, which you are doing. That's what everyone is posting about, trying to understand how much you knew about the machine vs how much Matt disclosed to you about the machine before you purchased it and whether it was sold to you as a 2013 even though it was much older. If you were told about the history and knew what you were buying then the only question is whether a demo unit can be called a 2013 from Mudd-Ox's standpoint. If you weren't told about the history of the machine and it was presented to you as a 2013 demo unit where it was just a 2013 model that had been used a handful of times then it seems like a shady deal when you purchased it. I don't think you personally need to do anything differently, just let the person you are selling it to know the same history that you know before they buy it.