Mudd-Ox and Max II video,s at river run atv park

[mightymaxIV]

Out of the pond and right over a fallen, tree. Which one of these holes is the Devils pit? One of the Highlifted quads said he could beat my Argo in the devils pit.

[mudbug3]

Dan

From what I remember two years ago, the mud hole that people call the suicide hole , had banks on the sides that looked different from the mud holes that we drove through. I went to youtube and found a video that Scott posted that has the suicide hole in it. When the video counter reaches 3:16 you,ll see me outside of my Max IV pushing and shoving ,trying to keep it moving forward. The bank where I drove in was too steep for Scott to pull me backwards with his Hustler , my winch quit working , and I was too far from the other side to use a rope to pull me out.

[Noel Woods]

Dan

From what I remember two years ago, the mud hole that people call the suicide hole , had banks on the sides that looked different from the mud holes that we drove through. I went to youtube and found a video that Scott posted that has the suicide hole in it. When the video counter reaches 3:16 you,ll see me outside of my Max IV pushing and shoving ,trying to keep it moving forward. The bank where I drove in was too steep for Scott to pull me backwards with his Hustler , my winch quit working , and I was too far from the other side to use a rope to pull me out.

That's right Dave. I went back and reviewed the earlier video as well. The Suicide hole looked different in the earlier video because there was much less water in it then. As it stood for our December trip neither vehicle had much of an issue in the Suicide hole itself, I did have some problems in that flooded trench leading up to the hole, but did make it through, although at a much slower pace then you. The Adair tracks & higher ground clearance gave your Mudd Ox a good advantage in these obstacles.
If you note in the videos that our two amphibs were the only ones that attempted these areas. The lifted four wheelers stayed clear of us, accept to come in at our breaks and ask questions about our vehicles. One of the four wheeler drivers said he recognized me from the videos, and that was stirring up alot of interest in our sport.

[mightymaxIV]

David, that is an impressive video, that machine of Scott's is something to see. The suicide hole looked almost impossible, if i am understanding you correctly, your Mudd Ox had no problems with it.

[mightymaxIV]

Video of Noels MaxII in awful mud with 25" Mudbug tires

Video for those of you who are wondering about bigger tires on a MaxII, this is Noels MaxII with 25" Mudbug tires. (center tires are Gators that are reversed)

I've seen two Mudbug equipped AATV's, Lees Argo Frontier (I have several videos of his machine posted) and Noel's MaxII. Both are the best mud eating machines I have seen but Noels MaxII is lighter and easier to maneuver.

Noel's MaxII also swims reasonably well (I would guess a little over 2 MPH) as you can witness from any number of posted videos. I wish I could see Lee's Argo and this MaxII side by side so we could see the real winner but it has always been my experience that one machine always does something better than the other, anyway, here it is, enjoy and understand that this mud Noel is going through is incredibly soft.

What's cool about Mudbugs is you can spin them without digging down, just keep spinning and the machine will move forward inch by inch until it get's more traction and pulls itself out. (check the 7:50 for an example)

[Model Citizen]

You know what you guys might consider. If it's not too much of a hassle, show your machine driving thru a mudhole without tracks, then with. Same mudhole, same machine, same driver. That would be the best way to show the differences for anyone wondering. What a helpful video that might be. I'm sure some people would appreciate it so much.

Bridget

[mudbug3]

This is a video that was taken a few years ago at river run atv park when Noel had the 22" inch rawhides on his Max II. In the recent video,s that I,ve posted of his Max II ,with the 25" inch Mudbug tires on it , you can see that its a lot more boyant in the water with the larger tires , and how much better it now performs in the mud.

[mightymaxIV]

Wow, having seen many MaxII's with 22 inch tires in the mud and watery mud and having personally seen Noels MaxII in the mud I can say there is a significant difference in mudding ability. You can see it person and you can see it in the videos.

[Noel Woods]

Yes, its a big difference and easy to see the difference between the 22" tires and the more aggressive 25" tires.
The question was asked earlier by Model Citizen about taking the same machine, without tracks, then with tracks through the same course. That would be a good comparison, though it would be difficult to recreate during the same trip, same conditions, same mud, etc. I think the River Run video from October comes close to doing this with the Argo vehicles that were there. In that video you see one Argo wheeled vehicle and two with tracks, all somewhat similar six wheelers otherwise. Again, the tracked vehicles had an easily seen advantage, kinda like comparing my Max 2 with the 25" tires compared to how it was three years ago with the 22" tires. There is an easy to see and understand advantage.

The other thing with the Adair tracks, is that you can drop down to the smaller wheels again. This will get you a benefit of the lower gearing effect which I think will more than offset the weight gain from the tracks. The other benefit of tracks, is that you have more contact with the ground, that translates into lower psi, higher adhesion, more stability, and obviously a more aggressive stance.

[Roger S]

I think Bridget's point is there's no direct comparison in a lot of these videos, but what she asked for would not be easy. If you took the tracks off the argo bigfoot, it'd be left with the bald 22" runamuks. Unless you mouted 25 rawhides and wheels on it.. and then stock argo wheels at 3-4 psi or Matt's wheels at 1-2. Dan's Frontier could do it, I guess, since it has more fender well clearance and has 25's on it.. but taking tracks off and on isn't on the short list of things to do on the rides.

Tim, I will volunteer my argo for thrashing .. I mean "durability testing" your tracks.. at no charge to you I just need to dig out the old runamuks and seal the beads..

[Model Citizen]

I think Bridget's point is there's no direct comparison in a lot of these videos, but what she asked for would not be easy.

Yeah, I just thought that doing something like that would be the best way to see a noticeable difference for everyone. I pretty much knew that there's a lot involved setting up with tracks, but if the opportunity ever comes up where it can be done, it would be the best way to show the difference.

Bridget

[bilimrl1]

Well guys and gals, I might be the best suited for this testing. I have the '04 Bigfoot with 25" Vampires and the '06 Bigfoot with Adair Tracks. If you go back to Dave's River Run videos, you will find both these machines going through some bad mud holes. The wife and I have learned to work as an awesome "Team" to maneuvered through just about everything. But, its obvious in Dave's videos that the Vampired machine is constantly struggling to go through the same holes the Adair tracked machine effortlessly walked through. I've drove both machines through the same areas at the deer lease over the last 2 months, the ADAIR TRACKED was unstoppable! But there was a 4" diameter pine tree I couldn't get either machine to bow down. The only down fall of the Adair tracks are tracking, on long trails or roads, the tracks will follow ridges and redirect the machine, causing a lot of driving correction. Flat ground is not a problem.

The wife and I will be at the 2011 Mud Nationals in Jacksonville, TX in March. Both machine will be tearing up the holes! Come and join in showing the quads what two extra wheels can do for their ride!

[bilimrl1]

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/trail-rides-clubs-events/14519-2011-mud-nationals-jacksonville-tx-march-23-27-a.html

[mudbug3]

You know what you guys might consider. If it's not too much of a hassle, show your machine driving thru a mudhole without tracks, then with. Same mudhole, same machine, same driver. That would be the best way to show the differences for anyone wondering. What a helpful video that might be. I'm sure some people would appreciate it so much.

This video is very close to what you,ve asked for in a comparision with the same machines driving through the same mud holes,,with and with out tracks

[Model Citizen]

Now that's closer to an apples to apples comparison.

Bridget