Oil cooler for Brigg Engines

[martwell]

Did anyone tough about putting a oil cooler and collecting heat from it for winter cab heating and summer engine cooling... My friend got a Grumman truck with a Deutz air cool diesel engine. The heating for the truck come from a big oil cooler mounted in a duct box with a fan motor... I think that could be a new and good upgrade for winter and summer as well as keeping the engine running cooler... What do you think

Martin

[Russh]

Its a great idea!! I know some of these guys are doing it. I wish my husler had oil lines. +++ Buy adding a oil cool, you are adding oil volume!!!

[hdble]

There used to be a buggy shop out in Whipper's area of Phoenix, that marketed an oil cooler for VW's with a fan attached to provide heat for bugs and baja's that had no heater boxes. I had one in my baja didn't work bad.

[GREASEMONKEY]

I think you are refering to Claudes Buggies! I'm an old VW guy! I'm for some reason dieing to build another sand rail

The coolers you refer to are just generic, Flex-a-lite, and a few other MFG's make them. The performance shops can get them with their own logo on the unit for marketing!

I had the same rough idea, I can't find the thread, but it was somthing like this!

I had an old VW I raced, and with custom exhaust I lost my heat exchangers! I also had to find a way to keep my engine cool, and put a oil cooler under the rear seat, in a fiberglass box with a cage fan. It would burn out out the car in the winter, and knock about 30-40* off the temp in the summer.

I have a spare intake filter box off my Jeep Rubicon, and was looking at putting a cooler in it, duct work to the dash on the argo, and the intake side of the box to a blower fan! It could easily be set up to divert air out during the summer.

PS: I'm way to lazy to actually do the work! I got a million other prodjects to complete first!

[hdble]

Actually I was referring to Barney's Import Parts and sand rail's, formerly of Phoenix, now in Tuscon.
I purchased my first unit from them because I was to busy with other projects also. The last two I fabricated what I needed.
The unit Martin is considering could produce decent heat after some operation time, I don't have a clue how long it takes a Briggs to get that warm in cold weather operation,it would take a VW about 15 to 20 minutes if it was below 20 degrees F.

[GREASEMONKEY]

I'm in SC so winters here are 15* at worst. It took my bug 6min to get to operating temp & producing good heat. That was running a 2.3L

Barney's, If I'm remembering correctly, they had an inhouse CNC for custom wheels! They made some good sturdy chassis too!

I usually got my stuff from Larry's Off Road. That was back in the day when Larry actually ran the place, and would bend over backwards to make a customer happy! 12-15yrs ago.

Back on topic!
I had a little stent doing small engine repair at work. Part of the job was testing fire equipment. FD runs 16HP B&S on the portable pump units. That's open air, and it takes them about 10-12min to heat up in 30* weather! I imagine the confined area on an argo would speed the process.

One hurdle is to find a low PSI check valve to place inthe oil cooler lines to prevent any problems of over fill oil level on start up! If the cooler is mounted above the fill level of the engine you would risk it draining back into the block when shut down. If you had a 1/2 + qt. over fill on initial start up, you could possibly do internal damage! That's worst case scenario, and more likely in severe cold weather.

I think this is along the lines of what you are looking for!

Perma-Cool 13215 - - summitracing.com

[whipper-ag]

This is all you need. A small transmission cooler, 6" fan, mounted anywhere you want. Under the seat for heat or out in the open to cool the motor.

Whipper

[martwell]

cool oil

Nice kit Whipper, who sell these kits... B&S or aftermarket.. In my Argo already have to relocate the oil filter because my 1985 Vanguard wasn't made for a B&S 18 hp... Filter was in the way of the tranny... So while relocating filter i was thinking why not put a cooler for heating my cab... Someone mentionned position of the cooler versus overfilling the engine with oil... did you have this problem with your machine...

Mart

[hdble]

I'm in SC so winters here are 15* at worst. It took my bug 6min to get to operating temp & producing good heat. That was running a 2.3L

Barney's, If I'm remembering correctly, they had an inhouse CNC for custom wheels! They made some good sturdy chassis too!

I usually got my stuff from Larry's Off Road. That was back in the day when Larry actually ran the place, and would bend over backwards to make a customer happy! 12-15yrs ago.

Back on topic!
I had a little stent doing small engine repair at work. Part of the job was testing fire equipment. FD runs 16HP B&S on the portable pump units. That's open air, and it takes them about 10-12min to heat up in 30* weather! I imagine the confined area on an argo would speed the process.

One hurdle is to find a low PSI check valve to place inthe oil cooler lines to prevent any problems of over fill oil level on start up! If the cooler is mounted above the fill level of the engine you would risk it draining back into the block when shut down. If you had a 1/2 + qt. over fill on initial start up, you could possibly do internal damage! That's worst case scenario, and more likely in severe cold weather.

I think this is along the lines of what you are looking for!

Perma-Cool 13215 - - summitracing.com

Larry's off-road is about an hour from me, used to be a good place. Now they don't care about any thing but money, no weekend hours, open 6 hours a day,"you want something call us, we'll ship it in 4 to 6 weeks---maybe".
I now order parts from California or Arizona, the come in 2 days, if I have a question about a part they either have an answer, or they will get one.
You know how it is, you would like to deal local but, no one worth a **** around.

[Jeff t-boss]

I'm in Wisconsin, so it's obvious that summer overheating isn't an issue. But the needed heat in the winter is a must. I converted my t-boss from the weak sachs to a 14HP vanguard. When I did, I mounted a super quiet muffler (From Route 6x6) on the original supports and cut the manifold flanges off and bolted them to the engine. I used 1 1/8 flex pipe to join it all. Being it don't flex that well, I used around 18 inches for each port. That's about 36 inches of heat duct (so-to-say) for my cab. I also took 3inch aluminum flex (cloths drier) duct and (Comes in 8 foot lengths) expanded enough to wrap around rhe muffler a few times and sort of flattened it. Routed one end under drivers seat, and the other to a fan box I made out of an old army ammo box and a heater blower motor. Cut a second hole in the fan box so air would be forced through the hull. (To move the heat from those 18inch flexpipes) Then ran my heater intake (with more 3in flex hose) to an exhisting hole in the back. One cool thing is that I really don't have to take in "FRESH OUTSIDE AIR". I don'have a cab cover (YET!) and my setup kept my legs warm last year during deer hunting. This summers project is to make the cab cover now that I know that the heater works. Sorry it's so long winded, but had to get the details in. ...............Jeff

[Meinfield]

An oil cooler is a great way to keep your v-twin happy and healthy!, especially in warmer climates. I used this unit from summit
Derale 13730 - Derale Econo-Cool Remote Fluid Coolers - summitracing.com
It is compact, has a low amp draw and the fan really pushes some air. It could be easily adapted to a heater box, and the little bit of extra oil that does drain back into the engine is really not an issue in my application. Available from the same manufacturer is a heat triggered valve switch that opens up the oil cooler lines when the oil reaches a certain temp.

[Roger S]

I think getting heat off the exhaust is going to be the practical route. I've seen the tiny oil pump in the vanguard and doubt it's going to put out enough volume to heat a cab in the winter, even after the time it takes for the oil to heat in winter weather. The oil cooler is a great idea for the engine's sake in summer.

[Silverbullet75]

The Desert Sucks for HEAT!

Hi,
I went out last weekend for a few hours and noticed that EVERYTHING in the front of the Argo was scorching hot! The metal screen that the exhaust pipe sticks out of even melted the body at the places where the rivets hold the screen to the body.

Question to Whipper (or anyone who knows):
The oil cooler kit that Whipper showed in a previous post... where do you get the oil filter taps? (The piece where the oil line barbs go into the filter mount).

I have easy access to a nice Mesa Oil Cooler kit with fan... just need to tap into the engine. I don't think the VW type "Sandwich" adapter for the filter mount will work on the B&S.

Thanks!
---JIM---

[whipper-ag]

They are 1/8" pipe taps. Get at any hardware store. You would have to take the filter mount off the engine to drill & tap it.
Whipper

[Silverbullet75]

Awesome! Thank you!

BTW.. do you know if a sandwich adapter would work on the B&S?