Argo tracks verses adair tracks????? Also axil extension, are they necessary

[liljoes]

Im in the south and thinking about tracks on my frontier 6x6. The adair track is impressive. I haven't heard anything negative about them from owners. Dealers talk them down. Any personal experience would be apreciated. Thank you

[Rock Doctor]

Is there something specific you were wondering about?
I kind of have a Track Collection going at the moment, right now I have a set of Standard Plastic, 3 sets of Supertracks, A set of Rubber Tracks, A set of "Chained" Adairs 18.5" wide and a set of Adairs "Belted" 14"wide.
For the majority of my riding conditions, the Adair Tracks shine the brightest, but I suspect that you have much different terrain to cover than I do.

I love going into the Dealerships around here and asking about the Adair Tracks. I get the same kind of feedback, lol, they have nothing good to say about Adair Tracks. Then I ask them which Adair Tracks they are refering to, and where have they tried them ?('cause I know they've never actually tried them at all, or even seen a set in person, except for the ones on my machines ).
I've offered to go riding with a few of those guys, but none have taken me up on it. I'm not saying they are good or bad, I'm saying the Dealers are in the buisness of selling their own Tracks, not someone elses.

As for the Axle Extensions (Are they required?), that depends on which track you are looking at.
Standard Tracks - NO
Modified Supers 16" - NO
Supertracks 18" - YES
14" Rubber - NO
18-21" Rubber - YES
14" Adairs - NO
16.5" Adairs - NO
18.5 Adairs - YES

Hope that helps

RD

[mightymaxIV]

liljoe, Here is a video that has some clips of my Suzuki Vinson with a set of Tatou rubber tracks Vs my Argo Frontier with Adair tracks, the other Argo with the Mud Bugs is Lee's. After Lee saw what my Argo could do with a set of Adair tracks he bought a set for his Frontier, that same Frontier now belongs to Noel Woods and Lee owns another Frontier with a 30 Horse Generec engine and another set of Adair Tracks. Lee and Mudbug have run their Frontiers with me at Big Nasty through the worse swamp areas we could find and I never either machine even come close to being stuck. If you want my recommendation I say buy a set of 14 1/2 or sixteen Inch Adairs. I now have a set of the 16 inch Adairs on my MaxIV and I love them. The second and third videos I have posted here is Lee, Mudbug, and I at Big Nasty. If you spring for a set of Adair tracks I doubt that you will ever get that Frontier stuck again. Best of luck on what ever you decide.

Keep one thing in mind, Adair tracks swim, rubber tracks barely move in the water.

[Roadtorque]

MightymaxIV, I love watching that first video. What a great side by side by side comparisons!

[mightymaxIV]

Joe, a few more mud clips, Frontier, Mudd Ox, Vanguard, Bigfoot, every machine with Adair tracks filmed at several different ATV parks

[Rock Doctor]

MightymaxIV, I love watching that first video. What a great side by side by side comparisons!

Lol, I like that one too.

RD

[mudbug3]

The first video that mightymaxIV posted here shows the BIG difference between the closed rubber belt track design and the Adair open track design.

[spookum]

shoot.... been trying to talk myself into a set of home made rubber tracks. The more and more i think about it though, the more and more i think that anything but adiars are like a waste of money. Cant wait for a review of the belted adair tracks in the snow

[Rock Doctor]

shoot.... been trying to talk myself into a set of home made rubber tracks. The more and more i think about it though, the more and more i think that anything but adiars are like a waste of money. Cant wait for a review of the belted adair tracks in the snow

It's snowing pretty good here right now, and the forcast is for about 14" of the Fuffy White Sh!#
Both Conquests are tracked up and ready to go

RD.

[DerekF]

RD, I know you had mentioned this before regarding tracks but here is a situation I came across a couple of weeks ago:

I tracked up my avenger a couple of weeks ago (Rubber Argo tracks) and went out looking for bison. Went out to an area that you have to run through a nasty swamp formed by a muskeg creek to get to. One thing I will say about the rubber tracks is the floatation is incredible. I was driving through a marshy area of the creek and thought something felt strange; then I noticed that I was essentially driving on floating grass, when I stopped I started to sink! Because of the floatation, the tracks seemed to be unstoppable in that setting. In bottomless, loon crap they work well. However, when I was in what I would call "regular muskeg" that I "might" have been able to pick my way through with tires only, I found the rubber tracks really strained the drive terrain to turn.

I don't know how much floatation the 14 inch Adairs would give you in the muskeg situation where floatation really helps? Does anyone have any input on that?

I have found a set of Adair 14 inch track that I can get at a decent price. The guy says he loves them but they are so slippery on frozen bedrock that his wife won't go with him to their cabin any longer with the tracks on. I guess they had some fun rides sideways down the hill in the late fall..........

RD, do you notice a big difference in the effort required to turn when using the Adairs over the Argo tracks?

[Rock Doctor]

I found the rubber tracks really strained the drive terrain to turn.

Running my Rubber Tracks in similar conditions scares the hell out of me. As you mentioned, at times they are fantastic, but put a heavy load in the machine and try to turn it, and you might as well be trying to "Push a rope", it doesn't work. I believe that there is such a thing as "Too much Traction" in some conditions.

I don't know how much floatation the 14 inch Adairs would give you in the muskeg situation where floatation really helps? Does anyone have any input on that?

They will not provide as much floatation as a closed face track, but the Paddle Like Grousers seem to work great to drag you through that stuff, even if the belly of the machine is making contact. I've not run my Adairs in the 14" Configuration very much yet, so I'll have to experiment a bit more to get a better idea how effective they are.

I have found a set of Adair 14 inch track that I can get at a decent price. The guy says he loves them but they are so slippery on frozen bedrock that his wife won't go with him to their cabin any longer with the tracks on. I guess they had some fun rides sideways down the hill in the late fall..........

Toboggans are made of plastic for a couple of very good reasons. One reason is that it slides very well on snow. If the tracks are not properly set up for your conditions, then sliding sideways is always a possibility. Traction is improved once you have the track faces scuffed up. The Custom Track Cleats that Tim has designed really helps with that issue too.

RD, do you notice a big difference in the effort required to turn when using the Adairs over the Argo tracks?

Absolutly, YES. Turning on most surfaced with Adair Tracks is rediculously easy, and untill you get used to it, I can almost guarantee that you will be "Over Steering, Over Correcting". As the load in the machine gets heavier, the Steering gets progresivly harder. I've had mine loaded up heavy enough that even with the Adair Tracks i was having trouble turning ( I even got stuck a couple times, but that was a bitchin' heavy load)

RD

[DerekF]

RD,

Awesome. Thanks. I think I will make an offer to the fella for them. I really want them for the mountains to go back into some valleys where no one goes. I bought the ASX vampires to head back in there as the rawhides were useless in the mud. But I think the adairs are the ticket.


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[mightymaxIV]

Derek, I didn't want to say anything until Rock Doc spoke his piece but I think you are going to be very impressed with the capabilities of the Adair tracks

[smoith]

Very informative thread. Ive been searching for more info on what tracks are best. And the dealerships don't even want to admit that other tracks exist.