The vampire asx tires are coming back! Who wants some?

[mudbug3]

I would take that bet Dave, especially since I would have Adair tracks over The Vendettas. Opps, forgot that one. The Vendettas are better because you can run them in tracks. Dave why would you go to the Mud Nationals without tracks anyways?


Keith.

I know you plan on running the Vendetta tires and Adair tracks on your Hustler Bigfoot and it's good that is a great fit for the Adair tracks. After having to rock my machine side to side, some times getting out, and some timing having to use a winch to get pulled out of the serious mud holes at River Run park, I'm through running just tires on my machines. I was just making a point of tire vs tire, and see which tire ( with out tracks ) would perform at River run park or Mud Creek park at the mud nationals.

[kghills]

I know Dave. I was just giving a fellow track addict a hard time. But honestly the Vendetta is the only tire I have found so far that I would remove my tracks for. I have more video of crawling in mud and split shifting like crazy but it is boring and slow so I did not post it. I will put some pure mud test video together and post it later on but I need to get my vintage machines loaded up to test with jpswift I guess first.

Keith

[fmints]

Hey guys,,,, nothing against tracks at all if you have them,, but I enjoy the challenge of getting through mud holes with my lil cheap old tires. Tracks are nice and maybe one day, who knows, I might break down and get a set, but they make riding boring to me. This is an additive hobby, but it is still a hobby and its fun running what I have and pushing it to the limit. Tracks are like a 300 shot of nitrous to a 454 engine versus a Yugo 3 banger,,,,,,, 50. cal to a fist fight,,,,,, where is the fun in that?

On another note, the Ven's look pretty good in the water and has a stout Bulldog" stance,, but the the lugs on the tires dont look to be that big,,, almost seems like its performance in the mud,, and i mean thick mud would be less of that of the ASX's. Im looking forward to the real comparison of the two in some of that thick and nasty mud if the opportunity presents itself in Ash!

[kghills]

Yeah Fred, I have seen video of you working your Poor old Hustler to near exhaustion on a few trail rides with a big smile on your face. I am sort of a track guy so the fact that the Vendettas can take tracks is a big plus to me. The Vendettas are an Amphibious tire that swim, ride, climb wet logs and work well in both mud AND sand. Typically a deep lug mud tire like the ASX does not do well in loose sand. The Vendettas worked very well in the loose sand around the edges of Matt's pond and I was able to pull myself out of the water easily without digging in as long as I was not too aggressive with the throttle. I have more mud video of the Vendettas but it is slow and boring like you say tracks are. Inching forward in the mud for what seemed like forever. The Vendettas worked very much like my Adair tracks in the mud in that light throttle moved you forward slowly and more throttle would spin the tires and stop forward motion. I still don't understand why the Vendettas worked so well in the mud without the deep lugs like a typical mud tire. Must be something to do with the amount of floatation and some sort of pumping action from the tread design. What was really strange is you could always back up and pick a different line if the mud drew you in a direction that was not where you wanted to go and you could pick a different line in the mud hole. It was a fun afternoon and I am looking forward to some head to head testing at Ashtabula with jpswift.

Keith.

[fmints]

Yeah Fred, I have seen video of you working your Poor old Hustler to near exhaustion on a few trail rides with a big smile on your face.

Keith, did you mean to be sarcastic? Don't go making waves in a septic tank! I love my Hustler! I've practically made it what it is now, a very reliable trail machine. I prefer simple trial and error over dumping a butt load of cash into it and pointing fingers at those who still have their money in their pockets! I've put a lot of hours into getting it that way and I'm proud of it!! Working on my machine, figuring it out and knowing the ends and outs of it, is fascinating and makes the hobby even more enjoyable and appreciated. Like I said earlier, tracks are cool but takes the challenge away, and that makes it boring to me, but this is only my opinion and I wouldn't dare try to force it on anyone. Please don't twist my words! I know a few members that have tracks on their rigs and we all have fun riding together,, no issues of whose rig was better cause it had this or that, or this cost this much, that much talk.. It was pure harmony cause we all were "do-it-yourselfers". We appreciated the workmanship of others, comparing our machines' current stature to that of a previous engagement. There were no sarcastic stuttering of words among us, there was only respect!

So,,,,,, The Ven's look good and perform great in the water (hats off to Matt for making that happen!), but I would like to see them in some really thick mud where tires with larger lugs like the ASX's, 589's, Mudbugs, DirtDevils or Executioners earn their pay (to name a few)!

Good luck at Ash!

[kghills]

No Sarcasm intended Fred. Even tried to word it so none would be taken. Guess I failed. I have watched a number of videos where you sit over the nose of the your Hustler and get it to go again. I was amazed the first time I saw it then discovered it was a valuable technique for Hustler owners. Very fun stuff to watch. Some nights these videos are better than the crap on TV for me.

I respect your views as always Fred and share your curiosity but also am excited (OK maybe a little over excited) about the performance of the new Vens (love your new nick name) Sort of curious why it is OK to discredit the enthusiasm over a new product though when it clearly (in my mind) is shown to be so capable, with video, in so many aspects. For me trial and error still means dumping a butt load of cash into a project, I guess I am not smart enough to figure out how to try what I want without that part of the equation. My posts are intended to save others from the expenses I have already incurred. I even tried to show pictures of all the other configurations I have tried over the past year so people would know I was serious in my quest for a tire worth removing my tracks for. Again sorry if it is taken the wrong way.

I could hardly sleep last night knowing Jeff was as curious as me as to the performance on the Vens compared to the ASXs. Fortunately I was able to rearrange some appointments here to get Friday free to travel. Really want to see how the Vens swim compared to the ASXs. It will be even a better test if JP will swap tires from machine to machine. I have never even had my 980 in the water so this testing should be a blast and maybe a lot of work. Nine - Ten our trip each way for me.

Keith.

[MaxRules]

I think the Vendetta's will be great in the mud for an amphib simply because they are so wide. As an old friend would tell us, it's all about PSI on the ground for amphibs. A narrower, aggressive tire will dig down quicker and if it doesn't find bottom any amphib will get stuck on it's belly. Staying on top of the mud, much like tracks, will get an amphib through some very swampy conditions. There still could be areas were an aggressive tread will be an advantage. Climbing muddy banks or out of rutted out mud holes might be one of them. It will be interesting to see the Vendettas and ASX's in all conditions. I am still anxious to try my Aqua Torques in areas the Terra Grips failed me.

[kghills]

Brandon, I bet you will find the Aqua Torques take you farther and when they dig in, well, plan on staying in China awhile. It is sort of like you say.

Keith.

[Coyote]

I love to read what everyone says about different tires. I know that I don't have the experience on 6x6's but I do believe different style of tires act differently on separate brand of aatv's. Its also on the skill level of the driver. I did break down and bought tires, just couldn't wait any longer. I bought a set of executioners. I know.... I read that they don't swim but i'm hard headed.

[mightymaxIV]

As someone who has already run ASX, TSL's, 26" Goodyear terra tires, 26" Carlise tires, 27" swamp Fox plus tires, 22 inch Argo swimmer tires on my MaxIV I say that this new 26 inch Vendetta tire is a welcome addition to the AATV world and I personally can't wait to try a set on my MaxIV.


I forgot to say, weight is a big issue for AATV tires, ASX tires on 12" inch steel wheels are about 47 pounds each, the extra weight takes a lot of power in deep pudding mud, just another thing to think about.

[eddieb1965]

KG,It is ok to be overzealous about YOUR new tires,but let people form their own opinions and maybe a little more feedback from the manufacturer.I will personally never own a set,unless Matt decides to make a 9" version as I will not buy a set of 12" tires AND 12"wheels.So keep up the assesment of the Vendettas,but dont shove them down our throats as the best thing that has ever happened in the tire market,and that I have to run out and buy a set or I will be left behind.....

[kghills]

KG,It is ok to be overzealous about YOUR new tires,but let people form their own opinions and maybe a little more feedback from the manufacturer.I will personally never own a set,unless Matt decides to make a 9" version as I will not buy a set of 12" tires AND 12"wheels.So keep up the assesment of the Vendettas,but dont shove them down our throats as the best thing that has ever happened in the tire market,and that I have to run out and buy a set or I will be left behind.....

You do realize you posted this on a thread for tires that use 12" rims don't you Eddie? It's your assesment that you will be left behind not mine but interesting you feel that way none the less. You live in IL and I am in S. WI. Were do you ride? What machine do you have rhat you are looking for 26" tall tires for. Post a few pictures quick and maybe we could meet up for a ride and you could see how my tires or tracks work where you ride.

Just a thought. Keith.

[kghills]

As someone who has already run ASX, TSL's, 26" Goodyear terra tires, 26" Carlise tires, 27" swamp Fox plus tires, 22 inch Argo swimmer tires on my MaxIV I say that this new 26 inch Vendetta tire is a welcome addition to the AATV world and I personally can't wait to try a set on my MaxIV.


I forgot to say, weight is a big issue for AATV tires, ASX tires on 12" inch steel wheels are about 47 pounds each, the extra weight takes a lot of power in deep pudding mud, just another thing to think about.

Dan as a person who has used the asx on their max how did you think they were in ride quality, water speed and wet log climbing compared to the other tires you tried and was their mud performane the best in your opinion?

Thanks, Keith.

[mightymaxIV]

Dan as a person who has used the asx on their max how did you think they were in ride quality, water speed and wet log climbing compared to the other tires you tried and was their mud performane the best in your opinion?

Thanks, Keith.

ASX ride quality about the same as a 25 inch rawhide III on 9 inch rims.

water speed:about 2 mph.

Wet logs, they don't like logs and neither does my MaxIV, I always went around them but they will climb trees and fallen logs (but I don't like it-it's very hard on the machine) For trees and fallen logs I prefer an Argo Frontier with 24" tires, the tire spacing and the soft tires make everything a lot easier on the machine.

One of the reasons I like this new tire is fallen trees and logs. I have thousands of them in this area and anything that will make my Max a tree climber makes me very happy.

[eddieb1965]

Yes,I knew that,I'm not running out to buy a set of ASX's and wheels either.I just dont want a heavy 12" wheel on my Argo,I would rather go back to a 8" than to a 12".You can make the tires lighter but you cant do much for the wheel. Although there is aluminum,but I dont recall ever seeing anyone making them. 22" tires and 8" wheel = 7" of sidewall,25" tires and 9" wheel = 8" of sidewall,26" tire and 12" wheel = 7" of sidewall.There is a ground clearance plus by running the 26" tires,but it is only 1/2" more than what I have now, and I have 1" more sidewall to flex.I will stay with the 9" wheel as long as there is a tire available..I have been to LBL,Deepwater,Mo. and the last time I was at Badlands 48 machines showed(been awhile).Argo hasnt been on a ride since the Flat Nasty ride a few years ago.I just ride my own creek and trails when I get free time.