escargo tracks weight

[28560HUNTING]

Hey just looking for some imput.Does anybody knoe what these escargo tracks weigh? ??? I myself have a set of 18 inch Adair tracks thst used to belong to RD.I am very happy with.My hunting buddy tried to 1 up me and ordered a set of escargo tracks.I had to pick them up as he lives out of town.Wow I think I passed a stone lifting these tracks. They are way heavier than Adair or argo plastic tracks. I think they are goin rob lots of power from the conquest. Any imput? ????

[Buzz]

145-ish I believe for the larger cleats for 12" wide tires. Crossers on 5-inch centers. Maybe a bit more when wider belts are used.
Don't go and pass a stone now.
Trying to move around any track is more awkward than anything as there's no good way to get ahold of it. They do pack up smaller than a rubber-style track that's for sure.
Remember you're machine is riding "on" at least half of that weight, and the track provides a gear reduction. The tracks provide relief between the cleats and the tire tread as they constantly break contact and adjust as necessary.
So as far as the machine's power to climb and pull, it will do better especially because it can put that power to the ground. Use track tuners and you'll be able to use high range effectively too. As effectively as 20 hp can provide. You'll have lower gearing all around.
Rubber tracks probably weigh as much and require much more power in every situation.

[juggernaut]

Will the weight of these tracks negatively affect deep water performance/buoyancy ?

[Old Tucker]

Any extra weight will effect the performance in water. The lower the argo sits in the water the more water you have to push out of the way to move forward. The argo will float but it is not a good boat design. It is just too front heavy. You can put a floatation device in the front rims to help with floatation if you are doing a lot of water traveling. Or go to a outboard motor. The Escargo tracks have a nice paddle that will give good performance in water. But again its only to get you from point A too point B.

[Buzz]

The weight of these tracks will not prevent your machine from working very effectively in the water if that's what you're asking. A heavy machine in general or a ton of cargo weight will certainly have more of an effect as Old Tucker describes. All-uhmw tracked machine (they still have belting/hardware weight) + you as driver......is equivalent to an all-steel escargo tracked vehicle with you driving + (1) man-sized passenger. And when you track your machine....at least it naturally balances the load of the steel crossers. Does a heavier battery negatively affect the deep water performance and buoyancy? Maybe "no" isn't the right answer for the stone throwers... So I'll say "yes"....But it's not enough to #1 worry about or #2 make a difference.

[amphibious drew]

No, the weight of these tracks will not prevent your machine from working very effectively in the water if that's what you're asking. A heavy machine in general or a ton of cargo weight will certainly have more of an effect as Old Tucker describes. All-uhmw tracked machine (they still have belting/hardware weight) + you as driver......is equivalent to an all-steel escargo tracked vehicle with you driving + (1) man-sized passenger. And when you track your machine....at least it naturally balances the load of the steel crossers.

I feel dumber just reading this. After 3 times through, it still sounds to me that you are claiming that the heavier steal tracks provide more flotation than the lighter uhmd tracks in water. Increased weight without increased water displacement will always = less flotation. If your goal is to help inform people, can we use clear facts or at least opinion based on supported facts.

[Buzz]

Well gee....maybe I'll go back and reposition the word "no" in case you don't take the time to read the helpful information. I said the extra weight will not prevent the track from working effectively. That's what the poster was concerned about in my mind. I apologize if it doesn't make sense. Do the steel crossers weigh more than uhmw crossers....yes. The steel is seen as additional payload in the water yes...but it's only equivalent to the weight of a grown-sized man over an all-uhmw track.

On ground, a wider track with wider belts provides more floatation.....lowering the ground pressure....than a narrow track. And it cleans out better as it has more open space between the belts. Just makes for a wider wheelbase.

Facts.
What machine and tracks are you using...for comparison's sake?

[amphibious drew]

lucky for us, it's very clear. I said the extra weight will not prevent the track from working effectively. I apologize if it doesn't make sense. The steel crosser weigh more yes. They have more payload in the water yes...but it's only equivalent to the weight of a grown-sized man over an all-uhmw track.

Thank you. That I understand in a clear fashion and I don't feel so dumb now.

[juggernaut]

I use my argo as a fishing boat and as a means of getting to the swamp/marsh /pond/water hole/lake that I will be fishing from . Once on water , I use a 6 hp. engine to get around . My main concern is will these tracks reduce stability or set the machine to low in the water ?

[2DAYRIDE]

What tracks are you using?

[thorn]

I use my argo as a fishing boat and as a means of getting to the swamp/marsh /pond/water hole/lake that I will be fishing from . Once on water , I use a 6 hp. engine to get around . My main concern is will these tracks reduce stability or set the machine to low in the water ?

There are a few videos you can see on you tube of Avengers swimming with these tracks. In some of the videos they put as much as 300 lbs in the rear to level the machine. Those vids are on the Beaver Dam Argo web site. Depending on how many people and gear you plan to take might be a factor, but these machines can take 700 lbs+ in the water.

[Buzz]

There are a few videos you can see on you tube of Avengers swimming with these tracks. In some of the videos they put as much as 300 lbs in the rear to level the machine. Those vids are on the Beaver Dam Argo web site. Depending on how many people and gear you plan to take might be a factor, but these machines can take 700 lbs+ in the water.

the track adds equal weight to the entire machine to balance the load. Any "attitude adjustment" of the machine will be strictly because it already floats that way prior to tracks...OR...because you are riding in the front with nothing in the back. If you're going to use your machine as a boat, then my advice would be to operate your trolling motor from the rear (standard operating procedure) and fish from the back too. You'll float perfectly level w/o the need to add additional weight. You can also drive from the rear to float level. All tracks...regardless of their weight, affect the floating attitude of the machine equally. Where you put your butt or your cargo will determine how level you float beyond that. You'll float slightly lower with a steel track...but it's not enough to make a difference in what you're talking about.

[2014SE]

22" Escargo tracks to fit a HDI with 25/12-9 tires with 5" spacing and 43 crossers per track weigh 312 pounds (156 each)
18" argo rubber tracks weigh 325 pounds per set. That's 13 pounds more than Escargo's.
I couldent find the weight for adair tracks. My best guess, not going to make a uneducated guess.

Whis weekend I had my wife, daughter, son in law and 2 grand kids on board and on a cleared road I got it going 30kmph on the speedo. That's the same speed the machine will run bear foot without tracks. I didn't see what the GPS read for actual travel speed. So in my estimation the tracks don't rob much if any power from the machine.

Weight no matter where it comes from will not reduce stability if it's evenly distributed. Track weight is on the lower portion of your machine and if anything will make you more stable in the water. With a Escargo trackers machine yout top of track is still above water and the forward motion will be the same as any open crosser designe track. The fact to take into consideration is that the Escargo will out preform the other track design in almost situations.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOpOk-KQS6Y

This clip from beaver dam argo shows how they swim with a winter kit. (Winter kit is about 80 pounds more) You will notice 7 or 8 gallons of water in the back for balist. That's 70-80 pounds.

The machine will float just fine with Escargo tracks and a couple extra passengers. I have not yet ran my tracks in the water but when I do I will clock the speed on the GPS.

[Buzz]

whenever you do get some liquid water to test your tracks, find the track speed "sweet spot" which is on the lower end. I like it when the tracks just start to "burble" as they come around the rear tire. Sometimes a bit more, but don't start throwing water up from the rear tire. And jump in the back (all argos ride nose heavy in the water) to bring the front end up. You don't need to put hundreds of pounds of weight in the back. This actually works very well with an Avenger like yours.

[jacobsrf]

I'LL give you a weight as soon as my tracks are delivered.