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I found this tire it looks like it should swim. There only 57.00 size 22-10-8 heres a link Rocky Mountain ATV/MC Cougar
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That link just goes to the site homepage, not a link to a tire? What brand/model tire is it?It's not a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that!
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It was Mud Lite AT 22x11x8 for 68.95 Cougar2011 MUDD OX KUBOTA TURBO DIESELComment
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Those are awesome tires and the tire of choice for the mud up here in alaska on the ATV's. But there was some testing done on here a little while back and they do not swim very well at all from what I read.It's not a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that!
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witch way are you running the vvvvvvvvvvv if they are forward they will not swim they have to be running backwards to swim . all tires . robbie1999 max 2 18 b&s 22 tires custom . new max iv 23 k 26 i/n tires brown . ht cable promark winch . new toy 1972 attex st400 400ccjlo and she will be bad . ( the frog )
if it don't float with out you getting wet . don't bring it ! 
R.I.P sage rogers 4 11 09 . you can't fix stuped !!!!! raceone 3 .)Comment
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[quote=rdr ]which way are you running the V ? If they are forward they will not swim . They have to be running backwards to swim. All tires . robbie quote]
rdr ,
I have to disagree with you on this . In my experience , and the experience of two of my friends that use ATV tires on their amphibs , this all depends on the tire and its tread design , if you plan to use it on your amphib
These are some examples :
1. The Mud Bug tires will hardly move you in the water if they are facing backwards , they need to face forward to scoop the water . They work better for traction this way too .
2. The Swamp Fox plus , ATV tire , works much better if you face them foward for maximum traction , and also the same way for water speed . They will not scoop the water near as well if they are faced backwards .
3. The High Lifter , Out law , ATV tires , that come standard on the Hydro Traxx 6x6 , are faced forward for maximum water speed . Check out their website . Facing forward , the Out laws scoop the water and propell your amphib forward . This hardly works if you face them back wards .
4. Vampire ATV tires work better for water speed and traction facing forwards
Any ATV tire that you plan to use on an amphib , you will need to study the tread pattern , and this will determine if you face it forward or backward , for water propulsion .Last edited by mudbug3; 07-10-2008, 12:04 PM.Comment
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Mud tires are weird. If you think they'll swim you can bet they won't. Here is my experience. I have been in the swamp with Lee's Argo Frontier with six mud Bugs facing forward. It swims somewhere between 1 to 1 1/2 mph. Six vampires forward-about 2 mph. Swamp fox Plus-one foward backward forward about 1 1 1/2 to 2 mph. One thing they all have in common, you have to let them paddle. You don't go into the water and rev them like an aatv tire, you just ease on the throttle and let them go to work. Lee's argo with six mud Bugs facing forward (I have videos posted of his machine in soupy mud and running with me in the swamp) eats mud better than ANY AATV or QUAD I have ever seen. He flat embaresses quads who won't even come around and challenge him anymore. But in water my max with vampires and swamp foxes walked away from him (once again I have video posted of us in the swamp together. This is my experience. Check out the video your self. Thanks
YouTube - Lee's Argo Dan's MaxIV Creek Side swamp
This mud pit that Lee is moving through took several high lifted quads with outlaws and gorilla tires up to a 1/2 hour to move through. Again I have video of Max Max sitting behind this big Quads waiting for them to move so I could drive on through in about two minutes-enjoy!!
YouTube - Lees Argo Frontier At Creek Side Mud BoggLast edited by mightymaxIV; 07-08-2008, 07:35 PM.Comment
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[quote=mudbug3;19709]ok take you stock trires and face them foward and see where you go .. around in a circle ... benn there tried that . the princel that makes a tire swim is bringing the water to the center of the tire . not trowing it out robbieOriginally posted by rdr1999 max 2 18 b&s 22 tires custom . new max iv 23 k 26 i/n tires brown . ht cable promark winch . new toy 1972 attex st400 400ccjlo and she will be bad . ( the frog ) if it don't float with out you getting wet . don't bring it ! R.I.P sage rogers 4 11 09 . you can't fix stuped !!!!! raceone 3 .)Comment
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rdr ,
" ok take you stock trires and face them foward and see where you go .. around in a circle ... benn there tried that . the princel that makes a tire swim is bringing the water to the center of the tire . not throwing it out "
Ok, if you were refering to " stock " amphib tires such as rawhides or terra tires , I will agree with you on this . You are correct .
But , where ATV tires concerned , this is not true " most " of the time . My Gator tires won,t swim at all , backwards or forwards , but the Mud Bug tire will swim , and it is almost an indentical copy . The only difference is , the tire lugs are further apart and taller on the Mud Bugs , when compared to the Gators , and the outer curve of the tire lugs on the Mud Bug , is both longer and more pronounced . This is what makes them swim and the Gator tires don,t . This holds true with the High Lifter Outlwaws , because the outer tire lugs are curved to scoop mud and water , but the spacing of the center lugs shead mud , and do nothing for water propulsion . The Swamp Fox plus tire scoops water from the center and outer curvature of the lugs , and the Vampire tires scoop water from the center .
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The whole swimming tire thing is kind of a fascinating mystery to me...2 cases in point.
1) Kenda Bearclaws did not swim a stroke for me, but will swim a little on MattO's MudOx
2) MightyMaxIV had all Vampires at one time, and while they swam, he had a hard time turning/controlling them, however; they swim/turn well on the Hustler. The only difference we can think of is that the Hustler has more distance between the front and center axle, than center and rear.
So I think in addition to tread patterns, vehicle type must also be considered. A tire that swims on a 8x8, may not swim on a Max II for instance......it's all one big experiment.Hammers should have warning labels.Comment
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I'd like to go with the Frontiers, but 8 of them wow.$$$$ Does any one know when you should be able to buy them from a Goodyear dealer?? Cougar
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mightymaxIV and I have talked a lot about tires ( facing forwards and facing backwards ) and also the space each tire has between the one next to it .
My theory is this :
The space a tire has in relation to the tire next to it , will also effect the water speed . Boncrshr,s Huster 950 has 25 inch Vampires that are all facing fowards , and it swims fairly well . He can also control his machine in the water . MightymaxIV had Vampire tires in the middle and front of his Max IV , and Swamp fox Plus tires in the rear , and he told me the Vampires made his Max IV very hard to control in the water . MightymaxIV also runs larger sized tires than what came from the factory . This makes his tires run very close together .
Boncrshr,s tires are spaced apart about the same as my Max IV . About five inches between the middle and rear ,and about three and half inches between the middle and front . MightymaxIV runs 27 inch tires , and this gives him about 3/4 of an inch clearance beween each wheel .
When a tire is really close to the one next to it ,, this will cause turbulance in the water , as the front tire rotates forward , the tire behind it
has a harder time pushing the water downward . This is because of the water turbulance created by the tire in front of it . This cycle keeps repeating itself all the way to the last tire .
I think this is one of the reasons the new Argo,s swim so well , because of large space between . This creates less turbulance in the water for the tires to fight against by the tires in front of them . I also know that the Frontier tires swim well too !
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I like the frontier tires also but they would kill my ground clearance!Originally posted by mudbug3 View PostmightymaxIV and I have talked a lot about tires ( facing forwards and facing backwards ) and also the space each tire has between the one next to it .
My theory is this :
The space a tire has in relation to the tire next to it , will also effect the water speed . Boncrshr,s Huster 950 has 25 inch Vampires that are all facing fowards , and it swims fairly well . He can also control his machine in the water . MightymaxIV had Vampire tires in the middle and front of his Max IV , and Swamp fox Plus tires in the rear , and he told me the Vampires made his Max IV very hard to control in the water . MightymaxIV also runs larger sized tires than what came from the factory . This makes his tires run very close together .
Boncrshr,s tires are spaced apart about the same as my Max IV . About five inches between the middle and rear ,and about three and half inches between the middle and front . MightymaxIV runs 27 inch tires , and this gives him about 3/4 of an inch clearance beween each wheel .
When a tire is really close to the one next to it ,, this will cause turbulance in the water , as the front tire rotates forward , the tire behind it
has a harder time pushing the water downward . This is because of the water turbulance created by the tire in front of it . This cycle keeps repeating itself all the way to the last tire .
I think this is one of the reasons the new Argo,s swim so well , because of large space between . This creates less turbulance in the water for the tires to fight against by the tires in front of them . I also know that the Frontier tires swim well too !Comment
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Rock Doctor has frontier tires on his Conquest.. they almost touch each other. He said it would swim upstream and leave a wake. I've heard that 22" rawhide III's on an argo 8 make a poor swimmer. It's all a crap shoot from my perspective.To Invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. (Thomas Edison)Comment
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