old ballon tires comparison to todays atv tires

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My question is with my older balloon tires that have about 1/2 tread and 2 tires have leaks I have a hard time just getting out of watery mud holes.Will the investment in new tires make a big difference in traction and driveability?The carlisle 101 seems to be the best tire but the tread does not seem much deeper than my current old balloon tires.I read many posts about new tires and the swimability but i have not found much info or reviews on how much improvement was made to the machines ability.Also wonder if the scramblers drivetrain can handle new 22x11x8 deep lug mud tires with 4 bolt rims.

[1975 Argo 8x8 2-Stroker]

Hey,

As for a scrambler drivetrain, I have no idea, I live in Canada, it's all Argos up here, that's pretty much it.

But right now, in my opinion your best tire would have to be the Carsile "Argo Tire".
They used to use the 22-10-8 Runamuks on the Argos, but when they came out with the 24-11-8 Carsile Argo Tire, production of the Runamuk was stopped and the Argo Carsile was made in the 22-11-8 size so the old machines that were still running the Runamuks could switch to the updated tire. The 101 is a fine tire, but they are more of a hard surface tire, there lugs are not solid, they are broken, which decreases speed in water A LOT, plus they loose tons of traction in mud, not to mention, they are a hard tire which will not do your light driveline any good!

With the Argo Tire, they are a solid lug across the tire, looking similar to the Runamuk, but a much deeper tread, (7/8 I think?) and are nice and soft for your old axels. (Run MAX 2.5 PSI in them with those small axels)

Now, as for noticing a difference... it's like NIGHT AND DAY!
I had an AATV, that was runnning GoodYear RawHides (Very similar to the 101), I switched them to the Carsile Argo tire, and I honsetly could not believe it...

With the 101 style tire, I had a very hard time climding out of holes, with the Argo tire, it was effortless. With the 101 style tire max water speed was 2kms, with the Argo tire it was 5.5kms!
The only advantage the 101 style tire has over the Argo tire is that the Argo tire, like the Runamuk before it, is horrible in reverse, the 101 though have lots of lug to dig you out backwards, but in most cases anyway, that just gets you stuck more.

Best bet, go with the Carsile Argo tire, you won't regret it!

Hope that helped!

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Thanks a million for the info.My scrambler has no reverse anyway.I just mounted a remote control harbor freight winch on the rear.These things are closeouts and it was only $40 out the door compared to the usual $100 price.Tires are going to be expensive no matter what brand which is why I asked the question.If I have to pay $20 more per tire thats fine if it makes the machine a better vehicle.

[1975 Argo 8x8 2-Stroker]

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.If I have to pay $20 more per tire thats fine if it makes the machine a better vehicle.

Hey, no problem.

And just to tell you, the Carsile Argo Tire sells around 139.99 to 153.99 per tire with no rim, plus you are going to have to create an adapter for a 4 or 5 hole rim, but the adapters are fairly common. Oh... and sorry, that was my error, they are identical to the Runamuk, 22-10-8, not as I previously stated 22-(11)-8. See the photos of the tire.

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Yes I have been checking out the prices on the argo tires.very expensive .Might have to wait awhile.I did spend all day yesterday patching the 3 leaking ballon tires and believe it or not they no longer leak.I cant really drive my scrambler till I go on vacation or till my yard dries up.I learned real quick that if i want a lawn then the scrambler is not to be driven .Half my yard is a mud pit.

[LarryW]

My personal opinion on the balloon tires is they suck. Only things they are good for is ride quality and they make the machine handle better when turning because they skid so easily. I slide sideways down a hill once because of the stupid things. It flipped on the bottom. They where not bald but not 100% either. Probably 50% or something. Only other tire experience I have is goodyear rawhide terra which are like the at101 and Goodyear runnamuck. I like the terras better.

[1975 Argo 8x8 2-Stroker]

Yeah, but as I said, the Terras are a hard tire.

[LarryW]

Yeah, but as I said, the Terras are a hard tire.

Hard riding but not hard to get around, lol.

[1975 Argo 8x8 2-Stroker]

Hard riding but not hard to get around, lol.

They are hard riding, and terrible in the mud in compasison to the Carlsile AT 189 (Argo Tire), which are nice and soft and out perform any terra style tire.
I know... we did it with Hoots and Argos, switched from the terras to the AT 189s... we were shocked, you would be too if you stitched!!

[LarryW]

They are hard riding, and terrible in the mud in compasison to the Carlsile AT 189 (Argo Tire), which are nice and soft and out perform any terra style tire.
I know... we did it with Hoots and Argos, switched from the terras to the AT 189s... we were shocked, you would be too if you stitched!!

Never mind, they will fit a scrambler. But they wont fit an attex without some body damage likely.

[1975 Argo 8x8 2-Stroker]

Really, they make the AT 189 in a 22-10-8 you know?

[Castro]

So I recently put 25" Argo heat tires on and all I can say is wow. They destroy the mud holes and beaver swamp. I went through a nasty beaver swamp with my old man and son and I would never have made it or attempted it with my ol rawhide3s. Every one said they don't swim and it's not true, I didn't think they swam much different than the rawhides. I can lay out a roosertail of mud now and the grip in the woods and on the rocks is incredible. That being said the ride is nice and they turn great, after beating the snot out ofmthe, for a few hours, it was hard to tell ifntheynhad even been used. They are pricey but worth it!

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Nice to see that its not the scrambler but the balloon tires that make the performance in the mud pretty lame.Nice to see that someone pasted some websites with tires and prices elsewhere on the tire and wheel forum.My friend put some extremely aggresive tires on his 2x4 honda quad and told me he could ride in water and mud up to the rear muffler and that he put his feet on the handlebars and that he never got stuck.I am not to concerned about the ride what I am concerned about is the ability to skid steer with a real aggressive mud tire.Seems like the fact that the 6x6's drag the wheels on the one side when turning then an overly aggressive tire might keep it from turning.I looked at his new tires and the tread was really impressive.The picture on the website he ordered the tires from did no justice to the actual tire in person.

[LarryW]

There will be in increase in skid steering. It will do it as long as the clutch and brakes are ok. Not as easy as with the balloons though. Not sure if you ever turned on pavement but if so you will see what I mean with more effort required. The life of the clutch and brakes are surely affected but I wouldn't let that bother you. Just stay with the typical 6x6 style tire and you should be fine. By that I mean don't get anything like the generic knobby style.

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Thanks for the info.The scrambler does not turn on pavement very well.It has a couple times when I had the middle tires at a larger circumference then the front and rear.Its a pain in the neck lifting it up and measuring each tires circumference knowing that 3 are going to leak back out anyway.I did put the 2 non leakers in the middle.the balloon tires are definatly on the way out.i dont understand why some old leaking honda 3 wheeler tires are going for over $200 a piece on ebay.The tread pattern looks different but why so expensive??Must be some collectors bringing some honda trikes back to NOS condition.One thing I keep doing is forgetting to apply the brake line lock on the scrambler when its running at idle.I have already chased the thing as it slowly went into my new privacy fence-also hit the back of the garage.The TQ belt is loose enough when I start it while I sit in it that it does not move but once I drive it and stop and get out it slowly crawls forward.The angle iron body band has been a life saver for the scrambler-not so good for my 1967 f250 camper that I once again let the scrambler run into!