How in the heck do you check/add air to the inside tires? I could see, maybe, using my "Highly Calibrated Foot" to check them, but then how do you add air if needed?
How in the heck do you check/add air to the inside tires? I could see, maybe, using my "Highly Calibrated Foot" to check them, but then how do you add air if needed?
RD
Glad you asked RD its really scientific take the outers off,next Question how about greasing them long lasting brgs,Well Doc you pull all of the front and rear tires,spools,15 nuts and then you can get at the mid axles and the front and rear,do you have to be possessed to want too put yourself through this all the time,its a huge pain and not done without compressed air and a beverage,why you ask----water access cottage on top of a hill,makes it all worth while, I open up the enclosed trailer load the bejeebers out of the machine drive in troll across the lake back up to the door.N.C.T----P.S try to keep the tires that are not currently bead leaking on the inside,but all and all a soft tire or two out of sixteen is not a cause for panic
Damn, I thought I was going to learn some kind of secret. Longer valve stems on the inners, that stick out through the outer wheels, or reversed inner wheels to access the stems on the inside.
Do you have to take the mid axle wheels off to grease the mid axle bearings? I can get at mine with the wheels on, but not the fronts or rears. If you upgrade to the HDI bearings and drill a hole through the inner wheels, you could leave all the inner wheels on to grease up......... Or would the spacers interfere with that option?
Have you tried, or thought to try douling up with different size tires? Maybe 24" inner tires coupled with 22" outer tires? Might ease the stress on the machine running on the 24's on hard ground, and the doules would only come into effect on soft terrain.......
Or something even more different, douling up with 24's inside and 25's on the outside? Same effect, but a little harder on the drivetrain, but even more clearance?
How much does duals add to the stability/carying capacity of the machine in water? A wheel/tire weighs about 35lbs, so how much water is displaced by the tire/wheel in weight? If we know that, we can figure out how much extra buoyancy the duals add to the machine.
Hope you don't mind all the questions, I have enough tires and wheels to do it, just not sure if it would be right for my application.
Actually RD thats next this is why Iam evacuating my overstock tire supply,but its not as simple as it seems you see the "spools"I originally built about 23 years ago for my 8 IC so when I started running Avengers the stock tires were to wide to dual up with my current spools,so I went to frontier tires and they just make it,now Iam wanting to go to the next gen Carlyle,s which are larger and wider,so break out the lathe and the welder and build a new slue of spools,the other draw back is the trailer,I whipped up a trailer to handle the extra width no issue but not a chance it will go in my inclosed its inner fender to inner fender now,big drag but on the other hand with the tracks on it fits no prob,s and that is the dirty time to haul,in the new year I will be ordering the Adair towable cover for the spring thru fall.And no once the fronts and rears are off I can grease the mids.N.C.T
hey rd how about 22's on the inners with adair tracks and 24's on the outer or vise versa? just trying to be funny. i wonder though, does running duallies rob alot of horse power?
you may want to look at a valve stem extender hose we use them on the heavy road trucks .it is pretty much just a hose that screws on valve stem that goes out and we put the mounting plate under a hub bolt.Than on that end is where you check your air or add air no need to try to get to the inner valve stem.They also make a hose that will connect both tires to the same hose so it will balabce out tire pressure but as you guessed one goes flat so does the other.
I cant tell you exactly but I can tell you this,there is not enough space to overload this machine in water the further it goes down the more pressure the tires exert upwards and the stability is unreal,you can fully loaded and you can barely fathom what I mean by fully I will post up pics next spring,you can if you so desire stand on the duals while relieving yourself of beverages while crossing a lake.I have on numerous occasions with the top on loaded the back to the top and the front seat floor area with no more than a spot to sit and toured in no issue,the only issue I ever had was when my new Avenger was suppose to be in before I headed north and it didnt make it so I had already took the duals off my trade in and had to take it up,I used what I thought was care in loading the vehicle with a lot less than I do and drove in and damn near sunk the thing,stroke of luck I didnt spun it around and got out,threw most of the load back in the trailer,my buddy changed his fruit of the looms and on we went,it had been so long since I ran one in the lake without ,them things are tippy.LOL N.C.T
Yes true enough reichstall would work great but still have to pull tires to grease so it was not that big of a deal,besides I was in the petroleum industry and had a shop with a handy genius type fella like the Rock doc that did all this for me,now Iam retired and have all the time in the world to play in my own shop,drink coffee,have buddys over and solve world problems.LOL
On a completely different rant Iam pretty sure that one of my frontier tires would hold my well nourished famine resistant body up in the water and Iam not shaped like a boat,so do some math,each wheel will support 150 lbs and Iam sure it would be more,then what will the hull hold wheels aside,you get the idea and the numbers climb drastically.
Last edited by Mike; 12-15-2011, 08:30 PM.
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oh your the one solving the promblms good job, somebody has to i too enjoy working in the shop up till this argo is was old tractors rebuild, now i got this dumb thing,As for floation there is a big math promblem that has to do with water displaced and what not they say the answer is in the bottom of your favroite beverage you just got to find it.have fun finding it
oh your the one solving the promblms good job, somebody has to i too enjoy working in the shop up till this argo is was old tractors rebuild, now i got this dumb thing,As for floation there is a big math promblem that has to do with water displaced and what not they say the answer is in the bottom of your favroite beverage you just got to find it.have fun finding it
LOL reichstall did a stint with vintage tractors myself Model LA John deere,yea displacement there is a formula but fact is and you know it that you cant sink it when they could put up a foldaway skirt on a Sherman tank and float it 16 wheels on a plastic bathtub no problem.
you can barely fathom what I mean by fully loaded I will post up pics next spring,.
I've been looking for some of my pics, I've had 2 whole Moose loaded into one Argo a few times. Drop the guts, and load em up. Head, hide, horns, hooves and all. Really wish I could find those pics, lol. Other than hauling a couple 50gal drums of Glycol in one load, that's about as heavy as I go. Little over 600lbs each, plus a couple guys and gear, puts me around 2,000lbs of load.
How much does duals add to the stability/carying capacity of the machine in water? A wheel/tire weighs about 35lbs, so how much water is displaced by the tire/wheel in weight? If we know that, we can figure out how much extra buoyancy the duals add to the machine.
Hope you don't mind all the questions, I have enough tires and wheels to do it, just not sure if it would be right for my application. RD
adding 8 tires increases bouency by about a field dressed and boned moose..... you asked RD
if your running 24inch by 12 tires with an 8 inch rim, the rim probably wont help you float at all. so pi radius squared times width is the volume of a cylender minus the volume of the rim is your volume dispalced in water.
12^2 * pi *12-4^2*pi*12=
1728pi-192pi=4823.0 inches cubed of displacement for a 24x12x8 tire and rim combo
and Water is 62.3 lbs per cubic foot
4823.0 inches cubed devided by 1728 cubic inches per foot means that our tire has 2.79 cubic feet.
now for the fun stuff. we need to find out how much weight we can put on one of these tires to totaly submerge it
apparent immersed weight= weight - weight of displaced fluid
so 35lbs for the tire - 2.79 feet cubed times 62.3 lbs water per cubic foot
so you get approxamitly 138.8 lbs per tire IF YOU SUBMERGE THE TIRE ALL THE WAY!!
if you only want to shove the tire 3/4 under water (by volume)
35lbs for the tire - 2.79 feet cubed times 62.3 lbs water per cubic foot times .75 (the three quarters of a tire) is STILL about 95 pounds.
so adding eight tires to an argo, that increases bouency by 800 lbs to as much as 1104 lbs
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I admit I didnt read all the post here but I have an idea with the reaching grease zerks. I work at a feed Mill and we have a few bearings hear and there that you cant really get to easily. So you just hook a hose to where the grease zerk is and mount the zerk where you want. Remote grease zerks. I have also seen them on semi trucks too where all the zerks are right in one spot. But I would recommend using a clear type hose if you do that because you have to pump alot in them before it reaches the bearing the first time. With clear you could see it reach the bearings. Now you just have to figure out how to keep sticks and debris from ripping off the hoses if you do it.
How about a McMaster-Carr in conjunction with the remote hose.
Those are cool too. We had them on the turn head bearings on top of one of your grain elevators.
And for the air in inside tires. The sell some adapter for semi tires that connect both valve stems together and keep the tire pressure balanced. They are suppose to help with wear from the cup in the road. But if one goes flat the other will to I believe. Maybe drill 2 new holes in your rimes and put a valve stem or a nipple to connect them with a regular hose. Run the hose up to the axle to get to the other side. Or if you have max hollow axles go right into the axle if you can seal them up. But you will have another thing for debri to get caught on again and probably wont be worth the hassle.
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