Kenda Executioner

[jpswift1]

Roger, you said you have Kendas on your rig? Are they the Executioners by any chance?

Sounds like you filled out the wheel wells Matt had a Bigfoot with Vampires so I have an idea about yours.

I wanted a taller tire, that's how I ended up with the Kenda's on mine. If I put 3 or 3.5 psi in them, they touch each other I'm going to try alternating tread direction, swim/mud/swim/mud and see how that swims.

[mightymaxIV]

JpSwift- Those are big aggressive tires. I saw the post where the guy with the Polais said that the 27" tires sat 25 to 25 1/2 inches tall. Remember your rims are a lot wider than most quads which only have 7 to 8" wide wheels so you never know what you are going to get until you have them on your rims. Roger I repeat JpSwift's question-what kind of Kenda tire did you put on your Argo?

[jpswift1]

JpSwift- Those are big aggressive tires. I saw the post where the guy with the Polais said that the 27" tires sat 25 to 25 1/2 inches tall. Remember your rims are a lot wider than most quads which only have 7 to 8" wide wheels so you never know what you are going to get until you have them on your rims. Roger I repeat JpSwift's question-what kind of Kenda tire did you put on your Argo?

Thanks for reminding me about that. I forgot about the fact that the width of four wheeler rims would be about 2 or 3 inches narrower than my rims on the Hustler. I think I will just stick with the 26" Executioners and not take the gamble of larger tires that might rub. Plus the 26's will weight a little bit less than the 27's so there will be less rotating mass on the machine. I think the Executioners will be a top performer in extremely muddy situations, but there's only one way to find out.

[mudbug3]

The Kenda tires you are thinking about buying have some really aggressive lugs on them ,but the tread pattern shape and direction , shows they would hardy swim at all. . On a 12 inch rim , this will pull the Kenda tires down even further , since people have posted that they tend to run short . These tires are also quite heavy,,, thus increasing your amphibs psi on the ground . This is some thing to avoid , when deciding to modify or add any thing to an amphib . Increasing psi on an amphib , increases your chance of getting stuck . I would choose a Maxis Mud Bug tire instead . It swims slow ,muds very well , floats well , and is very close to the advertized tire size . A friend of mine has these tires on his Argo Fronteer ( 25 inch ) and loves them . At a big ATV event , his Argo Fronteer swam past a 750 Kawasaki Brute Force , that had 31 inch , High Lifter , Out law tires on it , as they raced the length of the mud pit and back . The large crowd that was on both sides of the long mud pit , went wild with laughter and applause !

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[Roger S]

"Roger, you said you have Kendas on your rig?"

They're 25x12x9 Kenda Dirt Dogs on argo 9" wheels. They also make a 22x11x8. I was looking for the tallest tire I could find that might swim. They usually are a rounded tire but on wide wheels at low psi they are more square.

You guys with 12" wheels, I wonder what tires you could find in 9" for Matt's wheels? Would be less weight, more floation, more sidewall height..

I spent my $1000+ on a tire and wheel gamble, it's somebody else's turn now.

[mudbug3]

Roger ,

The only swiming tires that will fit Matts 9 inch wheels , are either Vampires or Mud bugs . Mud Bugs swim about a 1.5 mph and Vampires swim about 2 mph . This is according to Matt with a GPS , when he water tested both brands of tires on his Mud OX .

[boncrshr]

Ok, question for the brain trust. The 22" Rawhides that I have on my Hustler will swim. I am definitely going to buy new tires, the plan was to get 25" Goodyears. However; if I knew vampires, or any other aggressive mud tread would swim, I would get them in a heart beat.

Do ya'll think Vampires would swim on a Hustler, keeping in mind that the Hustler is known to be a poor swimmer? I hate to roll the dice for 600 bucks.

[Roger S]

That would be a roll of the dice. It does vary from machine to machine w/ same tire. Maybe Matt has some info.. I didn't think the vampires on his argo bigfoot or the mud bugs on the Ox swam acceptably. Since then I guess he staggered the tread direction and got better speed, I don't know. Dan seems to have something going with his IV with the vampires.

[pepper]

The Kenda tires you are thinking about buying have some really aggressive lugs on them ,but the tread pattern shape and direction , shows they would hardy swim at all. . On a 12 inch rim , this will pull the Kenda tires down even further , since people have posted that they tend to run short . These tires are also quite heavy,,, thus increasing your amphibs psi on the ground . This is some thing to avoid , when deciding to modify or add any thing to an amphib . Increasing psi on an amphib , increases your chance of getting stuck . I would choose a Maxis Mud Bug tire instead . It swims slow ,muds very well , floats well , and is very close to the advertized tire size . A friend of mine has these tires on his Argo Fronteer ( 25 inch ) and loves them . At a big ATV event , his Argo Fronteer swam past a 750 Kawasaki Brute Force , that had 31 inch , High Lifter , Out law tires on it , as they raced the lenght of the mud pit and back . The large crowd that was on both sides of the long mud pit , went wild with laughter and applause !

http://www.highlifter.com/forum/upfiles.aspx/35823/68E0EBC297B54566A65C2735172B23CD.JPG

http://www.highlifter.com/forum/upfi...59B3312166.JPG

I would be interested to hear what design gives the best propulsion (the why)
and why the Kendas would not? seems to me that they would ?
which would provide better propulsion the lugs going across the tires or in line?
I am curious .



and how much extra weight are we actually talking about in regards to footprint psi? seems like we are only talking about 20lbs in total Is this correct?

[jpswift1]

Hey Pepper, as far as extra weight is concerned, the 26" Executioner tires I found out were going to each weigh about 6 lbs more than the stock Goodyear Super Terra Grip 26's that came on my Hustler 980 BIGFOOT stock. I'm really not concerned with an extra 6lbs per tire because the BIGFOOT is geared down very, very low. When I was towing this huge fallen down tree with it, the stock tires lost traction and the big old 18HP Briggs 694cc flat twin never hesitated spinning all 6 of them on hard packed dirt.

[mightymaxIV]

Vampires

Ok, question for the brain trust. The 22" Rawhides that I have on my Hustler will swim. I am definitely going to buy new tires, the plan was to get 25" Goodyears. However; if I knew vampires, or any other aggressive mud tread would swim, I would get them in a heart beat.

Do ya'll think Vampires would swim on a Hustler, keeping in mind that the Hustler is known to be a poor swimmer? I hate to roll the dice for 600 bucks.

It depends on what you want here my friend.I live in swamp city and spend a lot of time in the water and the Vampires will not swim as well as your 22" tires, but they swim at an acceptable pace for me and they are OMG great in the mud and swamp. For me the compromise is worth it! (They will not swim as fast as the 25" Goodyears on your Hustler-so for you the 25" Goodyears may be the best compromise. Also the 25" vampires are 13" wide!!!!! They are big, wide, and heavy!)

[jpswift1]

It depends on what you want here my friend.I live in swamp city and spend a lot of time in the water and the Vampires will not swim as well as your 22" tires, but they swim at an acceptable pace for me and they are OMG great in the mud and swamp. For me the compromise is worth it! (They will not swim as fast as the 25" Goodyears on your Hustler-so for you the 25" Goodyears may be the best compromise. Also the 25" vampires are 13" wide!!!!! They are big, wide, and heavy!)

And I would imagine that the Vampires ride pretty hard as well. Those 25" Rawhides ride like marshmallows. It is all about compromise......until the absolute perfect AATV tire is made with a super smooth ride, super deep lugs for mud traction, and something that is able to swim fast and skid steer well too. Or you could just get an AATV with tires for extreme mud boggin, one machine for water, one machine for going fast, and another for general trail terrain.

[boncrshr]

I think if the Vampires swam at all I would be happy.....as far as width goes, I have 12" wide Kenda Bearclaws on there now, and I have about 1 3/4" to spare from the inside of of the body. I'm sure it would look killer...............

[RickMo]

Matts Bigfoot

I've got good footage of Matts Bigfoot with Vampires on it. Don't forget he had a Bandolero Engine in it.50HP or something... That thing with him at the controls did what ever he wanted and some!!!! Rick

[Meinfield]

Jp, I think you have solved this problem. Everyone needs at least four machines. Who wants to have to change out tires all the time?