T20 Adjustment Questions

[budzinsk]

Ok, I could not take it - had to look into what some of the questions in this posting.... I do indeed have the bands backwards. Take a look at the pics below. I printed out the pictures I took as I was taking the trani apart. It is hard to see, but the direction of the bands are wrong.. ... Thanks for the help!!! I will report back tomorrow..

[racerone3]

??? I'm not understanding the clutch facing in part.????

sounds like the clutch side output shaft went in the non clutch side case half, therefore the clutch ended up on the right side of the machine..

kind of glad for this thread.... I have a project in mind that will require basically a backward T-20... sorry to relish in your pain budzinsk, but you caused me to check and make sure it would work the wrong way!

[budzinsk]

LOL.... I am glad my pain is valuable to someone. I will guarantee I will not do this again!

[MAX IV Mark]

kind of glad for this thread.... I have a project in mind that will require basically a backward T-20... sorry to relish in your pain budzinsk, but you caused me to check and make sure it would work the wrong way!

Are you thinking about a T-20 with no linkage, and the sticks mounted right on it? I have been working on figuring out this type of setup. This seems like it would be the key.
MAX IV Mark

[racerone3]

Are you thinking about a T-20 with no linkage, and the sticks mounted right on it? I have been working on figuring out this type of setup. This seems like it would be the key.
MAX IV Mark

yeah, something along those lines. front engine, then trans, then driver. as you sit in the machine, the clutch will still be on the left but the plungers will face back toward the driver. I will still use linkage to the sticks to give me some leg room but everything will work backward.

[thebuggyman1]

yeah, something along those lines. front engine, then trans, then driver. as you sit in the machine, the clutch will still be on the left but the plungers will face back toward the driver. I will still use linkage to the sticks to give me some leg room but everything will work backward.

Sticks backwards??? isn't that a baker hill???
Just install a bracket that bolts to the front of the trans. Mount the sticks to that with the pivot point being in the middle. The normal stick pivot is on the bottom with the trans linkage attaching above the pivot. (Included for the newbies not you Brian. LOL) Pull on the sticks and it pushes back on the linkage. IF you move the pivot above the linkage it will pull forward on the linkage.

Personally I have thought about a T-20 in an Argo....This is where I make the purists mad, SORRY. The T-20 is a superior trans, and the Argo's have a superior (thicker) HDPE body and frame....at least the newer Argo's do. (Just my opinion)
If the t-20 was mounted in the correct orientation (Typical-plungers forward) it could be raised about 2 inches and the stick linkage could just go under it. It would probably be necessary to lower the linkage hole on the sticks and add an extension on the plunger actuators (pop cycle sticks or "U" channels)......AND I would definitely add the pivots on the "U" channel type.....but I do that anyway.

[Mike]

If the t-20 was mounted in the correct orientation (Typical-plungers forward) it could be raised about 2 inches and the stick linkage could just go under it. It would probably be necessary to lower the linkage hole on the sticks and add an extension on the plunger actuators (pop cycle sticks or "U" channels)......AND I would definitely add the pivots on the "U" channel type.....but I do that anyway.

This is how I am doing mine. I'm leaving the T20 with the plungers forward and extending the c channels down a couple of inches. As for the laterals, those don't have to change. With the pivot point on the bottom and the linkage mounted on the laterals right above the pivot point, it doesn't matter if the T20 is behind you or in front of you, the movement of the actuators will be the same. You pull back on the laterals and it moves the linkage from the front towards the back regardless of where the T20 sits. I need to just post what I'm doing in my Avenger thread so that I can get some feed back from some of you like-minded members with more experience than me.

[thebuggyman1]

With the "U" channel extended, the linkage point on it will need to travel a longer distance to push/pull the plungers the same amount.
My thought (and I got it wrong with lowering the hole) was to change the attachment spot on the sticks to get more rod travel with the same amount of stick pull.

Mike: can I get a test drive when it's done? I promise not to drive it like I would my own. LOL

[thebuggyman1]

Rob: Reading back through this.....did your bands overlap? Is that why you needed longer bolts for the plungers to "U" channels?

[Mike]

With the "U" channel extended, the linkage point on it will need to travel a longer distance to push/pull the plungers the same amount.
My thought (and I got it wrong with lowering the hole) was to change the attachment spot on the sticks to get more rod travel with the same amount of stick pull.

Mike: can I get a test drive when it's done? I promise not to drive it like I would my own. LOL

Gotcha. And yes, of course you can drive it.

Rob, sorry to hijack your thread. I try not to do that but it seems like you have your problem sorted out. Thanks for posting the photos. I'm sure this will help other members down the road that find themselves in similar situations.

[budzinsk]

No problem Mike. Well, I reversed the bands yesterday and it fixed my issue! Thanks for everyone's help, it is really appreciated.