two transmissions one swamp fox 8X8

[amphibious drew]

Glad to hear you got to take it out. Unfortunately, slipping out of gear sounds like a detent spring gone bad. You are probably going to need to crack open the t20. The good news is you can do a quick rebuild while its open and its not that hard or time consuming.

[jpswift1]

And detent springs are readily available, along with all other T-20 parts, directly from Recreatives. Amphibious Six-Wheel Drive All-Terrain Vehicles: MaxATVs - Call 1-800-255-2511 The detent springs are very cheap, but unfortunately, like Drew said you have to open the transmission to get to them. They're inside the shift collars, and a pair of needle nose pliers removes them quick and easy. There is one for each side. Take a look in the "How-To" section of the side for T-20 rebuild info.

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/content/section/231-transmissions-rebuild-how.html

[Noel Woods]

Can anyone identify the secondary transmission?

[hydromike]

This looks like they basically took a standard short tub (not the tall Super version) Swamp Fox and just stretched it out, kind of like Attex did with their 8x8 military tank trainer.

I still don't buy it! I'd love to be proved wrong, but it STILL looks like a Super tub to me! The distance between the rubber "belly band" and the bottom of the lower tub is still WAY different than what we've been calling the "Standard" Fox all these years.

Look at the difference in that distance from Larry's photo...

I mean, there's this body in the picture above, there's what we all call the "Super Swamp Fox" (yours, JP; Noel's, Don's, Tomo's, Renegade's, mine etc....), and if this body isn't a Super, that means there's a third body (at least a prototype, which this obviously is, kinda...) that they based it on.

On the back of the lower tub, it really looks like the 90 degree "bend" in the fiberglass happens at least a couple (maybe a few?) inches higher on the Super.



I dunno... I really think we need some measurements to compare these two beasts. I don't know if we have a member with a "Standard" Fox yet, so maybe... just maybe JP, it's your duty to find one (for me, for you, for whomever ) to get them lined up side by side.

Regardless, this 8x8 is awesome. I'd love more information on the gear box. I've been playing around with the idea of putting the front half of an NP203 transfer case between the engine and T-20, but I haven't gotten much further than just thinking about it.

[MAX IV Mark]

Looking at the photos the windshield lip looked obvious to me between the two. Then I looked at this and shot that thought down. Super Swamp Fox without the windshield lip.

[jpswift1]

Mark, great observation. The standard Swamp Foxes and the earlier Super Swamp Foxes didn't have that windshield lip. Mine doesn't, Mike's does.

Mike, I'm pretty certain that the lower tub is a standard Swamp Fox tub. I think what's throwing us off is the 23x10.50x12 tires on the 8x8. That standard Swamp Fox in Missouri that was on Craigslist not too long ago had this same tire and wheel setup. On the 8x8, it looks like they put a newer top half of the body with the windshield lip and on the lower body they trimmed an inch or two off the top edge, all around, giving the machine a slightly "slimmer" look in the mid section, compared to a standard 6x6 Swamp Fox. I remember when this machine first popped up on Craigslist, probably about 4 or 5 years ago, 6X6World member boncrshr and I were talking about it and he inquired about it because he thought about getting it back to Texas and putting 25" Vampires on it (back then Interco had tons of them on their blem page super cheap.......I should have bought some!). Anyway, he asked the seller about how much room there was for larger tire. He said, there wasn't very much room and it looked like the tires that were on it were the biggest you could go.

[hydromike]

Mike, I'm pretty certain that the lower tub is a standard Swamp Fox tub. I think what's throwing us off is the 23x10.50x12 tires on the 8x8.

So, then.... the distance outlined (in this absolutely horrible picture I made) is the same, then?



Something's wrong here, or I'm optically deluded....

::EDIT:: OK, I see where you're suggesting that they trimmed a couple inches off the bottom.... I need to go look at more pictures now, but I see where you're headed with the tire argument. The seller of the one in Missouri said that the 23 was the biggest he could fit, but I wonder how adventurous he really was. I want to see exactly how much room is between the top of the tire and the lower body on the 8x8. I don't mean to beat this thing to death, but I really want to know.....

[Noel Woods]

From memory, I recall the lower body of the standard Swamp Fox being shorter than the Super. I've seen two regular machines and maybe six Supers over the years. Either way its a rare machine.

[jpswift1]

So, then.... the distance outlined (in this absolutely horrible picture I made) is the same, then?



Something's wrong here, or I'm optically deluded....

::EDIT:: OK, I see where you're suggesting that they trimmed a couple inches off the bottom.... I need to go look at more pictures now, but I see where you're headed with the tire argument. The seller of the one in Missouri said that the 23 was the biggest he could fit, but I wonder how adventurous he really was. I want to see exactly how much room is between the top of the tire and the lower body on the 8x8. I don't mean to beat this thing to death, but I really want to know.....

Haha, I was going to make that same exact picture that you did. Yes, where you highlighted, they took that extra bit of meat off the bottom tub to give it that "thinner" look for some reason when they made the 8x8. The original seller of the 8x8 on Craigslist was the one that said you couldn't fit anything bigger than the 23" tire that was on it. The seller of the 6x6 standard Swamp Fox sounded like she needed to make a trip to the methadone clinic and seemed quite paranoid that she was being followed by those pesky buggers kept popping out from behind the wall again.

25's would be so cool on a standard Swamp Fox, or even better yet, on the 8x8!

[hydromike]

The seller of the 6x6 standard Swamp Fox sounded like she needed to make a trip to the methadone clinic and seemed quite paranoid that she was being followed by those pesky buggers kept popping out from behind the wall again.

Yeah, she was from Planet Claire... absolutely. I wonder what became of it...

Let's get Santa to settle this for us. I'd love to see a measurement between the bottom of the tub (as though the tub was setting on the ground) and the top of the tire-well area. The oblique photos of the tires don't really show how much room is above the tires. You'd only need 1.5" above the 23" tire to fit a 26.

[Noel Woods]

Planet Claire? I guess she was in her own private Idaho.

[Tomo]

Hi to all ,
Another difference in the bodies u all have missed is the vent holes in the body, some are LH or RH side. This maybe due to the engines that are fitted originally or as i suspect there was a gen 1 and a 2nd generation body styles .
In regards to the windscreen lip ,as u would expect came with screen irrespective of any thing else.

If anybody can find the factory disc brake option "" now we are talking""

Extra tranny find good and impessive

tomo

[jpswift1]

Here's a good one for you, Tomo. Some of the early Swamp Fox models were offered with an optional Berkeley Jet Drive unit. I'm having the brochure scanned and I'll get it on the site soon for everyone.

[santa]

sorry it took so long to reply. from the bottom of the tub to the top of the wheel well is 19 1/2 inches. Inside measurements as if the tub was on the ground. about 1 1/2 inch from the top of the tire to the tub. not much room. wish it had more so i could put bigger tires. thanks for the information, keep it coming!

[jpswift1]

sorry it took so long to reply. from the bottom of the tub to the top of the wheel well is 19 1/2 inches. Inside measurements as if the tub was on the ground. about 1 1/2 inch from the top of the tire to the tub. not much room. wish it had more so i could put bigger tires. thanks for the information, keep it coming!

So there's an inch and a half from the top of the tire to to the tub? That means you could fit 25's on it......very cool! After looking at all of the pics of standard Swamp Fox AATVs, I noticed that there wasn't very much room and I didn't think 25's would clear, but after you got those measurements, it sounds like they will. That's very exciting news. Now who is going to be the first with a standard Swamp Fox to put 25's on it. Take a set of 25x12x9 Goodyear Rawhide III's off an Argo and put 'em on a Fox!