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  • #1

    T-20 problem

    I began the process of adjusting the bands in the MAX IV I just bought. It was kinda tough to drive and I figured it was probably worn and out of adjustment. I only got as far as looking at the u channels with a flashlight and mirror and I have a question. The bottom plungers are protruding the case by a bit when at rest (maybe 5/16 didnt measure) the TOP plungers are NOT visable, they are in a ways. Not sure how much as I didnt get that for but I cant see how its possible to measure these things with them recessed, so I figure something is WRONG. Where do I need to head next? If I need to put bands in the trans I am good with that I just dont see any point in going to that trouble if its not needed. I have already ordered a full set of bearings for this machine, and fully intend to pull it apart next week and weekend to do that much so if its in need I want to move on it at the same time.

    What do yall think?

    Jason
    Last edited by jtb51b; 03-17-2013, 09:50 AM. Reason: moved thread from Max forum to Transmission forum
    2015 Argo frontier EFI Camo. 4000lb vortex winch with synthetic rope. 3.3 trans.

    ~1998 Max IV (SN 14428) on 26" TRU Power tires, winch with synthetic rope, rear seat moved back 5 inches, flip top rear seat with storage underneath, 55 lb thrust trolling motor, #24 marine Battery and a bilge pump just in case.-sold
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  • #2
    What do you mean when you say tough to drive ?

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    • #3
      WHen I say tough to drive I mean just that, it requires FORCE to make the machine steer. I went ahead and pulled the engine out, and finished following the instructions for the band adjustment, I misread the measurement point. I thought I was supposed to be measuring between the plunger and the u channel, once I realized I was to measure between the case and the u channel it was a little easier to accomplish. After adjustment I took it for a spin (pun intended) in the yard and it was a good bit easier to handle. It still seems a little weak in reverse on one side but I had been squatting down on those frame rails for WAY too long to go back in last night. I think I am going to re check the passenger side this morning, I bet I am still a little farther out on the bottom than the top. That side was the first side I worked on and I wasnt 100% satisfied but I knew I still had some work ahead of me. Thats a PITA little job, its straightforward but there is just NO ROOM! From the looks of things there is no easy job on these machines, I just hope I dont have to work on it often..

      Jason
      2015 Argo frontier EFI Camo. 4000lb vortex winch with synthetic rope. 3.3 trans.

      ~1998 Max IV (SN 14428) on 26" TRU Power tires, winch with synthetic rope, rear seat moved back 5 inches, flip top rear seat with storage underneath, 55 lb thrust trolling motor, #24 marine Battery and a bilge pump just in case.-sold

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      • #4
        Went a rode around a bit more today. How much force should be needed to back up when your trying to back up a hill? When trying to back out of the creek (maybe a 6" jump then at most a 30* ramp) I really have to pull back hard to get any motion. This is not a steep enough hill to ever possibly spin a tire, just a small ramp. Trying to back over a rock the size of a brick requires a good bit of force, and to turn around in reverse requires HARD force on both sticks in opposite directions, motor doesnt bog just doesnt pull.. I dont mind having to work the sticks if need be but I'm just not sure this is correct. I doubt my wife could make this machine back up on anything but flat ground if that gives any idea.

        Jason
        2015 Argo frontier EFI Camo. 4000lb vortex winch with synthetic rope. 3.3 trans.

        ~1998 Max IV (SN 14428) on 26" TRU Power tires, winch with synthetic rope, rear seat moved back 5 inches, flip top rear seat with storage underneath, 55 lb thrust trolling motor, #24 marine Battery and a bilge pump just in case.-sold

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jtb51b View Post
          I doubt my wife could make this machine back up on anything but flat ground if that gives any idea.

          Jason
          Something is surly wrong with your machine. It should be easy to operate. My 11 year old has been driving them with no problem for several years, and my 3 year old would take off if left unattended in a machine last summer. That should give you an idea of ease of operation. If your belt is squealing under load, it may just be the belt and a t-20 adjustment. I would check your belt to ensure proper tension and width first, but my guess is the bands are worn out completely in your machine. If that is the case, an immediate opening of the t-20 and relining of the bands is going to be a minimum requirement. If the drums are worn, you have slightly more expensive issues.
          l like to buy stuff and no I don't do payments!

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          • #6
            OK I think I have an idea. Here's my suggestion, get rid of those annoying springs that put tension on the steering laterals. The Max is the only machine with them, and the first thing I do when I get a Max is take the springs off. They're absolutely good for nothing. This way, you don't have to use any force when pulling either lever back. Start by doing this and go from there.
            "Looks like you have a problem with your 4 wheeler........you're missin' two wheels there"
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            • #7
              Originally posted by jpswift1 View Post
              Here's my suggestion, get rid of those annoying springs that put tension on the steering laterals.
              Ugh, YES... get rid of the springs.... Steering with those damn things is like driving a piece of excercise equipment.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hydromike View Post
                Ugh, YES... get rid of the springs.... Steering with those damn things is like driving a piece of excercise equipment.
                Oh yeah I don't use those stupid springs either. And my 11 year old does struggle with machines that still have them.
                l like to buy stuff and no I don't do payments!

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                • #9
                  Ok, I will just back the spring tension WAY off and see what that does. I think i may also need to replace the belt, it will deflect about 2" and I am out of threads to add more washers under the engine. I think the "newly replaced" belt might be the wrong one. I read somewhere about getting a different belt that will help provide more bottom end. What about the spring in the driven clutch? Would I possibly be better off with one of a different color? Mine is green. I have the 26" tires, and really dont do much high speed driving, mostly low speed stuff in the woods, to and from a creek. If I pull back hard on the sticks it does pull well, I used it to pull a 6" tree top up out of the creek in reverse and it did the job, provided I pulled back hard.

                  Jason
                  2015 Argo frontier EFI Camo. 4000lb vortex winch with synthetic rope. 3.3 trans.

                  ~1998 Max IV (SN 14428) on 26" TRU Power tires, winch with synthetic rope, rear seat moved back 5 inches, flip top rear seat with storage underneath, 55 lb thrust trolling motor, #24 marine Battery and a bilge pump just in case.-sold

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                  • #10
                    Jason,

                    If you post your location someone may be willing to come take a look and give you a hand. A few beers can to along way in this crowd.
                    l like to buy stuff and no I don't do payments!

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                    • #11
                      I am in central Alabama, and I firmly believe I always have enough beer on hand for several of us! I have enough tools to sink a battle ship, and I am fairly mechanically inclined I just am not sure when enough is enough? Whats right?

                      Jason
                      2015 Argo frontier EFI Camo. 4000lb vortex winch with synthetic rope. 3.3 trans.

                      ~1998 Max IV (SN 14428) on 26" TRU Power tires, winch with synthetic rope, rear seat moved back 5 inches, flip top rear seat with storage underneath, 55 lb thrust trolling motor, #24 marine Battery and a bilge pump just in case.-sold

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                      • #12
                        It is much easier to adjust the T-20 when it is out of the machine and it is not that difficult to remove. If you are unsure about it that may best, take it out, dump all fluid out, make some of the spacer/adjuster tools and adjust the bands. (With the spacer tools it may be easy to do in the machine, I have not tried that.) Put it back in, fill it with fluid and adjust the chains on the transmission. I was just too frustrated with the design to try to do it in the machine.

                        While you have it out you might want to saw a slot into the 4 bolt heads to make it easier to adjust in the machine.

                        I will let others tell you which way is better - I wanted to remove mine for other reasons anyway so I adjusted it then.

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