Trans. input please.

[ABMoosehunter]

We have two vanguard II's, a 96 and a 98. Just returned from 2 weeks in the boreal; our first foray with the argo's. Learned a lot about driving them and shook some bugs out.

The 98 the tranny whine's I believe more than it should. It doesn't scream or anything but is noticable. Putting down a cutline it's minor, and the noise increases with the rpm. In all other respects it functions perfectly.

The 96 shift lever seems to have more throw than it should. It pops out of reverse from the pressure of the lever against the firewall unless you physically hold the lever tight against the pressure of it hitting the driven pully bump in the firewall. On the other side when putting it in high the knob goes past the left tilly bar to get it into gear. It also grinds to get it into any gear. In all other respects it functions perfectly. I idled it right down and that made no difference with the grinding.

Now, I'm comfortable with a wrench in my hand and have built many chev 350's and dirttrack racecars but to be honest transmissions have always seemed like one of the mysteries of life and I've never opened one up.
I have downloaded the argo shop manual which has excellent step by step to rebuild a tranny.
Sorry for the long post, I guess I'm asking if from the described issues if someone could point me to possible problems; I can then go through the manual and help myself get up the nerve to dive in myself.
Thank you for your advice.

[Mike]

I wouldn't worry about the one that is functioning properly but whining. Those transmissions are pretty loud. Do you know if you have a low geared transmission?

For the one popping out of reverse, these threads should be helpful:

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/argo-atvs/14116-1992-argo-magnum-8x8-transmission-question.html

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/argo-atvs/25244-argo-bigfoot-pops-out-gear.html

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/transmissions/7203-argo-pops-out-low-gear.html

[ARGOJIM]

We have two vanguard II's, a 96 and a 98. Just returned from 2 weeks in the boreal; our first foray with the argo's. Learned a lot about driving them and shook some bugs out.

The 98 the tranny whine's I believe more than it should. It doesn't scream or anything but is noticable. Putting down a cutline it's minor, and the noise increases with the rpm. In all other respects it functions perfectly.

The 96 shift lever seems to have more throw than it should. It pops out of reverse from the pressure of the lever against the firewall unless you physically hold the lever tight against the pressure of it hitting the driven pully bump in the firewall. On the other side when putting it in high the knob goes past the left tilly bar to get it into gear. It also grinds to get it into any gear. In all other respects it functions perfectly. I idled it right down and that made no difference with the grinding

Sorry for the long post, I guess I'm asking if from the described issues if someone could point me to possible problems; I can then go through the manual and help myself get up the nerve to dive in myself.
Thank you for your advice.

The transmissions are straight forward, gears and shims nothing to fear.
The whine is normal to a point, if it's excessive something may need a shim or a bearing on the input shaft may be worn.

As for the excessive throw the actual shifter (internal part) may be wore or loose, there is also a bushing in the top of the housing that wears.
The grinding is generally to high of an idle unless your clutches are sticking partially open, try to lube them first along with setting the idle low ( in neutral back it down till it stalls and work forward).

[msafi65]

I don't find the Argo transmission difficult to work on. Follow the manual and they come apart and go back together good. Most of them I've had apart that jump out of any gear need a double gear and input shaft to at minimum. The input shaft can be removed for inspection by only destroying the one seal. I've pulled the input with trany in the vehicle but don't recommend it again. Wear in the fork , bushing or just the wrong pins in the shift handle cause excess movement of the shifter. Carefully inspection of the shifter should tell if movement is internal or not.

[ABMoosehunter]

Thanks for all the input guys, with the shifter I'm a little red faced for not thinking of the obvious......thanks msafi65

just the wrong pins in the shift handle cause excess movement of the shifter. Carefully inspection of the shifter should tell if movement is internal or not.