Clever person needed

[trevorakm1]

Sol you do make me chuckle.

[rodp]

Look on the bright side Sol, a good run and you'd be able to cook burgers on the discs

[North Country Tough]

Rod lad you must be a retired gent with entirely too much time to sit and think,come on over and help me shovel snow (good for the back ya know),myself I drag brakes where needed they are pretty fade resistant and with the calipers loaded up with silicone brake fluid fading is kept to minimal,if things get to hot usually in the summer then its time to stop and idle a while and ave a pint,the Argo brake system has its draw backs but is very robust,full loaded as the RD is most of the time the stab method works well,but again Iam not in that big a rush to get anywhere most times and its rare that I have a overheat situation,that said I travel at a snails pace for the most part and usually with a load.Cheers NCT

[rodp]

Hi NCT, tried retirement for a day, didn't like it so went back to work the following morning

It was more a sort of "wonder what the actual physics are" sort of question rather than a how do you drive sort of thing. I just wondered if it had actually been tested to see what the difference between the two sorts of braking is.

As for shoveling snow you really should live somewhere warmer buddy. It's been quite a warm day over here with just a jumper on ( and the rest of my clobber before you say it), bit breezy but not cold.

[MAX IV Mark]

Hi NCT, tried retirement for a day, didn't like it so went back to work the following morning
It's been quite a warm day over here with just a jumper on ( and the rest of my clobber before you say it), bit breezy but not cold.

Not sure how that translates to our Canadian cousins, but picturing it made me laugh.

clobber transitive verb : to hit (someone) very hard

Then got put in a jumper.

Amazon.com: Jolly Jumper with Stand: Baby

that's a day to remember

[rodp]

Not sure how that translates to our Canadian cousins, but picturing it made me laugh.

clobber transitive verb : to hit (someone) very hard

Then got put in a jumper.

Amazon.com: Jolly Jumper with Stand: Baby

that's a day to remember

Ha ha. Black Country lingo, clobber = clothes. Jumper = jersey / sweater.

And just so you can confuse your buddys. ah bin ya = how are you. Gooin um = going home. Yo ay = You're not. Slab boster = fat person. Oss = horse.

Drop them into conversation and see if they understand

[North Country Tough]

Gotcha Rod,back in my Lorry driving days on long downhills not riding the brakes but apply and release would pretty much assure you would not overheat and fade them so ya could round the corner all wheels on the ground.So they teach at driving schools at least back turn of the century LOL,mind you if your brake pads are pretty much clapped out they tend to transfer much more heat to the caliper and will cause fade,as far the physics goes it would make sense that it would create the set amount of heat to get the job done only difference would be the stab and release method would allow greater cooling time to toss off heat,now Iam sure someone will say its codswallop and Iam a tosser but its time for Mantracker on the telly got ta go and get my packet of crisp,s and sit on me arse.Cheers NCT

[rodp]

Gotcha Rod,back in my Lorry driving days on long downhills not riding the brakes but apply and release would pretty much assure you would not overheat and fade them so ya could round the corner all wheels on the ground.So they teach at driving schools at least back turn of the century LOL,mind you if your brake pads are pretty much clapped out they tend to transfer much more heat to the caliper and will cause fade,as far the physics goes it would make sense that it would create the set amount of heat to get the job done only difference would be the stab and release method would allow greater cooling time to toss off heat,now Iam sure someone will say its codswallop and Iam a tosser but its time for Mantracker on the telly got ta go and get my packet of crisp,s and sit on me arse.Cheers NCT

Ha ha, remember the old truck brakes well, press and pray We used to have a wrecker that although brand new had terrible brakes. It had a cummins 500 with Eaton splitter and would easily top 100mph (it sat at 16t tare weight) and accelerate like a cat with it's butt on fire. Luckily it had an exhaust brake so fade was kept to a minimum.
Nearly 60 tons and 80ft of loaded wrecker at 70 mph + concentrates the mind
Didn't bother to renew my artic (18 wheeler ?) licence when it expired 10 years ago, if I never sit in another truck again it will still be one too many.

[frenchconxion]

Rod, so six wheels should be easy!

[rodp]

Ha ha, eight on mine. Easy so long as your brain remembers you pulled a stick and tells your butt to grip the seat

mate of mine forgot this little problem. Flat out downhill and he yanks a steering lever back. Next thing is he's on the floor outside with his Argo grinning at him.
We had cleaned his seat etc with dash shine though before he had it back

Put him off his stalking for the day

[frenchconxion]

If that is all it did its not too bad......... I keep migrating to more wheels as I get older, started on 2 and now I am at 8 I spose it is as far as I want to go must admit 8 float better than 2

[JohnF]

... the stab and release method would allow greater cooling time to toss off heat,now Iam sure someone will say its codswallop...

Codswallop!

Actually, the reason this technique is taught and the reason that this technique is safer for everyone involved and the reason we should all adopt this technique even in our cars is differential error in braking action is greater at lower brake hydraulic pressures.

What?

It means that if you hold steady your brakes down a good grade (feather in above parlance) you are more likely to generate most of the heat in one brake rather than all 4, for example. If you snub the brakes (stab used by NCT above) you use higher braking pressure, lower the differential error between brakes, and more evenly share the heat load among all brakes in the system.

Nothing to do with cooling time - that is a function of how fast you did the grade.

[rodp]

If that is all it did its not too bad......... I keep migrating to more wheels as I get older, started on 2 and now I am at 8 I spose it is as far as I want to go must admit 8 float better than 2

As a yoof I did motorcycle trials for years (slimline Bultaco Sherpa and beamish Suzuki) and I can categorically say that motorcycles don't float . Well, mine never did

[rodp]

Codswallop!

Actually, the reason this technique is taught and the reason that this technique is safer for everyone involved and the reason we should all adopt this technique even in our cars is differential error in braking action is greater at lower brake hydraulic pressures.

What?

It means that if you hold steady your brakes down a good grade (feather in above parlance) you are more likely to generate most of the heat in one brake rather than all 4, for example. If you snub the brakes (stab used by NCT above) you use higher braking pressure, lower the differential error between brakes, and more evenly share the heat load among all brakes in the system.

Nothing to do with cooling time - that is a function of how fast you did the grade.

So ......... the differential pressure is a given quantity, not a percentage of the hydraulic pressure ? Therefore, the higher the pressure the less the difference ?

Turned out to be a very informative thread has this. And I thank you again John for your time and patience.

[North Country Tough]

Codswallop!

Actually, the reason this technique is taught and the reason that this technique is safer for everyone involved and the reason we should all adopt this technique even in our cars is differential error in braking action is greater at lower brake hydraulic pressures.

What?

It means that if you hold steady your brakes down a good grade (feather in above parlance) you are more likely to generate most of the heat in one brake rather than all 4, for example. If you snub the brakes (stab used by NCT above) you use higher braking pressure, lower the differential error between brakes, and more evenly share the heat load among all brakes in the system.

Nothing to do with cooling time - that is a function of how fast you did the grade.

Yep knew it codswallop well at least you didn't call me a tosser LOL,John how does the above statement apply to a single caliper rotor assembly on the skid steer style trans since there would be no differential error in a single brake,so is it that the fact still remains X heat for y course correction irregardless of how you approach it,as Rod put it clever person needed and it doesn't apply to me as i just do what works best for me and spend no time figuring out why.NCT