Tires for conquest

[Beardefence]

I have a 2003 8X8 conquest and have been trying to decide what type of tires to put on a second set of rims. I have supertracks so i need the runamuks on one set of rims. I looked at the ITP mudlites but they seem to have a very hard side wall and was told that the ride would be very rough. The rawhide IIIs look ok but I have read that some people seem to get a lot of flats with them. I see Rock Doctor on Utube has the Frontier tires on his conquest (also on his buddies conquest) and they really seem to perfom well and give a nice ride . When I look at the space between the runamuks especially on the front two tires (they seem to be a little tighter than the two rear) I wonder if they will fit without touching every now and then. Also does the larger 24" Frontier tire put excessive strain on bearings, chains and gear box or can the Conquest handle them with no problems? Also do you need to change the clutch tension? Any advice, info or recommendations on this subject is appreciated ( i still need the OK from the War Department for this budget expenditure, but it looks good for the spring of 2009) :hmmmm

[Rock Doctor]

Hi BD
There are a couple threads on this subject already that you might be able to find. As you know, I have been running the Frontier Tires for awile now and am very happy with them. I also have 3 other friends that have switched over.
The tires are a very tight fit, and I actually had to measure the circumferance of the tires and put the 2 smallest on the front, with the 2 second smallest next. (I had up to 2.5 inches differance in circumferance measurements). Even like this I can get the tires to touch each other when I hit a bump or hole too hard.

Don't worry about the extra strain on the axles, bearings, housings, chains, gearbox, ect. I work my machine harder than most guys and have had no issues. Also, the Conquest uses the same drive components as the Avenger, which has much more HP.
As far as clutching, I put a shim in the spring of my Primary clutch (Used a welding rod, the same diamiter as the spring wire). The extra tension holds the clutch back a little, so it engages at a slightly higher RPM. I also tightened the spring in the Secondary clutch by one hole. This will allow the clutch to "Backshift a little faster, as you come to a stop.(Keeps it from bogging down as much in the muck holes.

IMHO, running the Frontier Tires is NOT as hard on the machine as running Runamucks and Tracks.

Hope this helps a bit

RD

[Beardefence]

Frontier Tires

Thanks a lot I really appreciate the info do you think it is vital to shim the primary clutch and tighten the secondary. I guess I'am asking did you first try the Frontiers without the clutch adjustments or did you do it (clutch adjustments) right from the get go. Welding rod as a shim (like a brazing rod)thats very inventive how did you bend the rod ? I tell you my front tires are very tight but i am convinced that the Frontiers are the way to go after having seen your vids on U tube. Thanks again, I got to go get ready to chase some whitetails and mulies in the ranch land of Alberta. My Buddy got a beautiful white tail yesterday it grossed 178 and netted 168 3/8.

[Beardefence]

Frontier Tires

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Thanks a lot I really appreciate the info do you think it is vital to shim the primary clutch and tighten the secondary. I guess I'am asking did you first try the Frontiers without the clutch adjustments or did you do it (clutch adjustments) right from the get go. Welding rod as a shim (like a brazing rod)thats very inventive how did you bend the rod ? I tell you my front tires are very tight but i am convinced that the Frontiers are the way to go after having seen your vids on U tube. Thanks again, I got to go get ready to chase some whitetails and mulies in the ranch land of Alberta. My Buddy got a beautiful white tail yesterday it grossed 178 and netted 168 3/8.

[Rock Doctor]

Thanks a lot I really appreciate the info do you think it is vital to shim the primary clutch and tighten the secondary. I guess I'am asking did you first try the Frontiers without the clutch adjustments or did you do it (clutch adjustments) right from the get go. Welding rod as a shim (like a brazing rod)thats very inventive how did you bend the rod ? I tell you my front tires are very tight but i am convinced that the Frontiers are the way to go after having seen your vids on U tube. Thanks again, I got to go get ready to chase some whitetails and mulies in the ranch land of Alberta. My Buddy got a beautiful white tail yesterday it grossed 178 and netted 168 3/8.

I did the testing in the yard at home, but I do have a wicked hill to test on. I ran around with the old clutches, then pulled both of them off and put on the new clutches (BIG improvement). Then I shimmed the Primary clutch (Another BIG improvement. For example: Argo's, with a little load, don't want to turn from a standing stop. With the shim, clutch engagement is at a slightly higher RPM, and I have no problem even with the larger tires.) Then, of course, I tightened the Secondary (Another improvement. Tightening the Secondary makes the clutches want to Backshift faster/harder. Where before I had to apply brakes when rolling down a hill with XX amount of grade, now the argo slows down on it's own as throttle is reduced... kinda like "engine brakes")

The welding rod was a 5/32 diamiter 7018, I think. Just smack the flux off it and bend it around a piece of pipe (Outside diamiter of pipe should be same as inside diamiter of clutch spring, or close to it, you can "adjust" it a little by hand). Once you bend it around the pipe, just trim the ends and you have a perfect shim, the same diamiter as your spring.

Never use more than one shim, and Always mount the spring on top of the shim. (As in, don't put the shim between the spring and the spring cap)

RD

[Roger S]

I would do everything Doc said. Get the tires, test drive. Work on the engine clutch, test drive. Then do trans clutch, test drive. That way you get to see the differences. All that stuff needs to be inspected and lubed anyway.

[Beardefence]

Thanks RD and RS I have printed off the info and will start dealing with the local Argo distributor on prices for tires and rims (the tough part is dealing with the War Department over expenditures, but she understands its for hunting and fishing and its been 25 years) . Did you guys see the Mudd Ox video posted on Utube i think Argo is getting some stiff competition. I attached 2 videos to a thread on this site, have a look, also they have a web site just Google "Mudd ox".