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  • glen1971
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    My two cents..

    Originally posted by Roger S View Post
    Can Ontario Drive & Gear figure out how to design decent skid steer trans? I'm not holding my breath.

    If they do, it's about time.
    They've been at it for awhile..

    Personally.. A hydraulic driven machine could prove a bit of a challenge if it decides to die in the middle of no where.. The EFI systems are proven technology and so is the braking system.. Afterall the addition of a fan to cool the slotted rotors was a huge improvement..

    Each to their own, but I think I'd keep tried and true...Avenger..

    Just my thoughts...

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  • Roadtorque
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    Originally posted by brushcutter View Post
    Maybe we should contact Polaris, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha you know... the quad builders and see if they would try to build an amphib. I for one agree THERE IS NO WAY THAT THESE MACHINES SHOULD COST WHAT THEY DO! I mean - have any of you guys tested one of the Razors --OH-MY-GOD-SCARY, and they can be bought new for about $10,000 it's sickening.
    I'm sure if they felt it was worth anything they would have done it...then again maybe they dont know how much interest there is in the sport. Have you seen the new "Quadski" Gibbs Technologies look how much they are trying to sell that thing for. But hey, maybe its worth mentioning to Polaris, Yamaha, Honda, etc.

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  • brushcutter
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    Maybe we should contact Polaris, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha you know... the quad builders and see if they would try to build an amphib. I for one agree THERE IS NO WAY THAT THESE MACHINES SHOULD COST WHAT THEY DO! I mean - have any of you guys tested one of the Razors --OH-MY-GOD-SCARY, and they can be bought new for about $10,000 it's sickening.

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  • Roadtorque
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    Originally posted by coosaridgerider View Post
    Eddieb,You hit the nail on the head,I'm fairly new to the 6 wheelers,I have an argo but it is used and i did'nt pay alot for it,That is the reason i have one.There is no way in hell i would pay that rediculous price for a new one.There is no way it cost that much to build them,You take the cheapest argo or maxll and compare the price to a 4 wheeler of the same price and the technology of that 4 wheeler is twice as much.I also ride polaris 4 wheelers and they are way more technical than my argo.For the price of a 6wheeler they should run 40 mph and have a springer kit.If someone would build this they would sell twice as many machines.I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.
    amen

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  • coosaridgerider
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    Eddieb,You hit the nail on the head,I'm fairly new to the 6 wheelers,I have an argo but it is used and i did'nt pay alot for it,That is the reason i have one.There is no way in hell i would pay that rediculous price for a new one.There is no way it cost that much to build them,You take the cheapest argo or maxll and compare the price to a 4 wheeler of the same price and the technology of that 4 wheeler is twice as much.I also ride polaris 4 wheelers and they are way more technical than my argo.For the price of a 6wheeler they should run 40 mph and have a springer kit.If someone would build this they would sell twice as many machines.I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.

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  • Tiger&LionGSP
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    I call the company this and ask a ? they said call next week and we call talk about the new model
    it coming

    like my wife say's you get what you pay for. I am will to pay for a argo. the Mudd Ox is a hydruliac leak waiting to happen. In Fl the heat from the pump would cook us..

    looking forward to the new model

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  • Roadtorque
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    Originally posted by eddieb1965 View Post
    After being an Argo dealer for almost 5 years ,I can say more sales are lost by not being able to offer a model to compete with 4- wheeler prices. I had 1 guy go and buy 2 4 wheelers after he demoed an Argo.(he loved the machine)Even after explaining how an Argo will carry more passengers ,carry you across water,and haveing more options available,speed is the only drawback I couldnt explain over a 4- wheeler,people still balked at the price.Then a few mths. later you see or talk to them and find out they bought a new something ATV.ODG always had a 500.00 price increase every year for the same machines.This forced me out of the AATV buisness ,ODG will eventually price themselves out of buisness.I would think ODG would want to enhance the AATV industry not limit the market anymore than it is.
    You defiantly get more machine for your money with an atv. Plus you could afford to buy a new ATV every few years but not an AATV. Even though I have loved the idea of AATVs since I first saw them when I was very young (10ish) I have yet to buy one due to the price. I have had a few ATVs and I'm still far from the price of a new 8x8. Hopefully one day when I have a few more $$$ I can get a new AATV

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  • mudbug3
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    ( QUOTE ) " ODG always had a 500.00 price increase every year for the same machines.This forced me out of the AATV buisness ,ODG will eventually price themselves out of buisness.I would think ODG would want to enhance the AATV industry not limit the market anymore than it is."



    eddie1965 ,

    VERY good point!
    Last edited by mudbug3; 10-03-2010, 12:55 PM.

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  • eddieb1965
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    After being an Argo dealer for almost 5 years ,I can say more sales are lost by not being able to offer a model to compete with 4- wheeler prices. I had 1 guy go and buy 2 4 wheelers after he demoed an Argo.(he loved the machine)Even after explaining how an Argo will carry more passengers ,carry you across water,and haveing more options available,speed is the only drawback I couldnt explain over a 4- wheeler,people still balked at the price.Then a few mths. later you see or talk to them and find out they bought a new something ATV.ODG always had a 500.00 price increase every year for the same machines.This forced me out of the AATV buisness ,ODG will eventually price themselves out of buisness.I would think ODG would want to enhance the AATV industry not limit the market anymore than it is.

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  • Roadtorque
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    Originally posted by eddieb1965 View Post
    If the Avenger 750 and Centaur is what they are focusing on then that looks to me like they dont give a crap about the recreational riders.I have owned a n Avenger,but found this to be to much machine for what I need.I have went to a Bigfoot model,but it was 8500.00.I think ODG could focus on the little guy (Affordable entry level performance machine)and still have the utility sales as well.If you want to get the AATV message out there then you need to get affordable machines to Joe public.
    I could not agree more with you. As simple as these machines are I cant believe they cost as much as they do. Its probably due to lack of supply and demand which is probably due to the high cost. Look at the lack of options for a guy like me. I would like to buy an new 8x8 but the price is way to high. I'm left with buying a used argo 8x8 (you have a lot to worry about buying used equipment) or a new argo 6x6 for about the same price. Do I buy a used machine (dont want used) or a new machine I didnt really want (want new but not a 6x6)? Well the answer is I buy a UTV (Rhino or ranger) or a top of the line ATV for the same price.

    I agree its dumb. If you want to get people to buy your high-end stuff you need a product to let them get a taste of it. A entry level AATV has its place IMO.

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  • eddieb1965
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    If the Avenger 750 and Centaur is what they are focusing on then that looks to me like they dont give a crap about the recreational riders.I have owned a n Avenger,but found this to be to much machine for what I need.I have went to a Bigfoot model,but it was 8500.00.I think ODG could focus on the little guy (Affordable entry level performance machine)and still have the utility sales as well.If you want to get the AATV message out there then you need to get affordable machines to Joe public.

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  • Roadtorque
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    There Centar models sell for a lot of money. If companies buy those maybe people will fork out money for a higher priced argo I dont agree with it but people love to spend money

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  • eightwheeler
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    Originally posted by eddieb1965 View Post
    I think the way the economy is now ,and money being tighter than it has in some time there should be a new entry level model.I know ODG has a frontier 480,but I am thinking something in the 4-5000.00 range so more people could afford a newer model.6995.00 is alot of money for most people,I wouldnt call that entry level.Just my .02 cents worth. Eddie
    I agree Eddie BUT the boys also said they sell 750 EFI's all day long as compared to just a handfull of the rest of the models, funny thing is they are going on "workshare" and are still going to increase the price on the new model, not a good strategy

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  • eddieb1965
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    I think the way the economy is now ,and money being tighter than it has in some time there should be a new entry level model.I know ODG has a frontier 480,but I am thinking something in the 4-5000.00 range so more people could afford a newer model.6995.00 is alot of money for most people,I wouldnt call that entry level.Just my .02 cents worth. Eddie

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  • Rock Doctor
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    Originally posted by eightwheeler View Post
    I have a few friends at ODG as well and heard about the model, sounds like its going to be awesome, however, he said they are going to be priced significantlly higher as well................so is a Mud Ox really going to be priced higher than the new model? we shall see

    If that's true, they are going to price themselves right out of the market. There prices are already getting rediculous. That's part of the reason for the price increases we are seeing on used Conquests. I could sell my conquest right now for more than I paid for it 3yrs and 500hrs ago.. Oh well, maybe I should go back to trying to get a test ride in a Mudd-Ox lol

    RD

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