tires for 6x6 frontier

[jpswift1]

I think the Kenda Executioners were discussed on the site before a while back, and I don't think they swam well but I can't say for sure.

It's really hard to evaluate a tires performance when it is on a 4 wheeler and when it is on a 6 wheeler......they're two completely different machines and 6 wheelers often go where 4 wheelers can't, it's a proven fact. Thanks for posting those videos though, it is good to see them in action regardless. I can say that my Hustler 980 BIGFOOT with 6 26x13x12 Super Swamper Vampire ASX tires would have walked through any of that mud that the 4 wheelers were going through. This has been discussed many times, but exerted PSI is usually the name of the game when it comes to mudding performance. Those ASX's that are on my Hustler are actually just a hair over 14" wide and there are 6 of them. Combine that with deep, far spaced, aggressive lugs as well as those aggressive side lugs and you have a combination that can't be beat for mud, water, even snow, and ride quality. There are quite a few folks on the site that have the ASX's and there are nothing but good reviews about them. The only downside is that they seem difficult to find. Just something else to consider so I figured I would throw it out there. Good luck with it.

[cobalt]

@JPSWIFT1: Your probably right if the tires are smaller they may vary well not swim.

Well they carried me a-float (water only) across a large beaver dam for about 1000 feet this fall. There and back.

I'm not a feather weight either.

Also i have maxed out my tire spacing. So that almost all the thrust is going downward and back (respectively).

No complaints here so far.

Other water drive ideas:

I know that some one made a paddling system that bolts on similarly to J-wheelz and only sticks out a little outside the wheel hub. Not a water wheel like setup but paddles similar to those on
J-wheelz but are "vertical" and sit on the tires.

Looks more like an impeller, and i don't know how long they would last.

[jpswift1]

@JPSWIFT1: Your probably right if the tires are smaller they may vary well not swim.

Well they carried me a-float (water only) across a large beaver dam for about 1000 feet this fall. There and back.

I'm not a feather weight either.

Also i have maxed out my tire spacing. So that almost all the thrust is going downward and back (respectively).

No complaints here so far.

You have the Executioners and they swim? Cool, that's good information to know! The more tire options out there for us to use, the better. I thought I heard they weren't great swimmers, but it's hard to remember since there are sooooo many posts and so many things going on here on 6x6World.

[jpswift1]

I think we need a sticky thread posted at the top of tire and wheel talk that shows tires (stock and aftermarket) that are proven swimmers.

One category could be for 8" rims, one could be for 9" rims, and one for 12" rims.

12" rims:

-26x13x12 Super Swamper Vampire ASX
-26x12x12 Kenda Executioners
-26x12x12 Goodyear Super Terra Grip
-26x12x12 Mud Bugs

9" rims

-25x12 and 11x9 Goodyear Rawhide III
-25x11x9 Argo/Carlisle tires

8" rims

-24x10x8 Argo/Carlisle tires
-22x11x8 Goodyear Rawhide III
-21x11x8 Goodyear Rawhide
-21x11x8 Carlisle or Nankang Chevrons
-21x11x8 Carlisle Power Trac II (just like the 21" Rawhides)

I'm sure there are a lot more so maybe anyone else that knows any more can chime in.

[mudbug3]

( QUOTE ) " The 26"executioners swim almost as well as the original Argo 24"



jpswfit1,

This is a direct quote made by cobalt. Considering how well the 24 inch Frontier tires swim,, this really says a lot about the water performance of the Kenda Executioner tire.

[jpswift1]

( QUOTE ) " The 26"executioners swim almost as well as the original Argo 24"



jpswfit1,

This is a direct quote made by cobalt. Considering how well the 24 inch Frontier tires swim,, this really says a lot about the water performance of the Kenda Executioner tire.

Thanks mudbug, I didn't even catch that. Let's see if we can keep getting more good tire options out there for us all to use.

[cobalt]

I forgot to mention as well.

I now have an 18hp diesel engine in my frontier. A diesel runs (RPMs) much slower than the original 23hp vanguard.

You might (probably) will even get more speed with the executioners than mine with an original frontier gas engine.

Other than that i have not seen much else good in tires for an AATV for swimming.

Your right we need a sticky for swimming tires.

Just about any other atv mud tire will work well on an AATV for just about any other kind of environment other than water. Therefore it's mostly a mute point.

[jpswift1]

I forgot to mention as well.

I now have an 18hp diesel engine in my frontier. A diesel runs (RPMs) much slower than the original 23hp vanguard.

You might (probably) will even get more speed with the executioners than mine with an original frontier gas engine.

Another good point to consider, cobalt. Some tires perform better when you throttle up a little more, and some tires work better at lower throttle. I think we need some folks to get out there when the weather gets nice and start testing some tires out for us.

[cobalt]

Well i believe i came out on top with what i changed on my frontier.

Even if i lost some minor amount of swimming/steering ability.

I gained quite a bit of floatation, much greater traction, more power (torque).

All in all a far better than original frontier.

I no longer bounce aorund when climbing out of water on a steep hard clay like shore line.

If some one comes up with some reliable add on water propulsion system for the tires . I will be one of the first willing to try them.

If i need more speed i can install a 2x4 with a 2hp kicker beside the argo steering and go.

[mudbug3]

Cobalt


I,m assuming that when you stated that the Kenda Executioner tire was almost as fast as the Agro frontier tire, this meant in deep water?
On a scale of 1-10 , with 10 being the fastest water speed , how would rate the Argo frontier tire in deep water when compared to the Kenda Executioner?

[cobalt]

Yes. 7+ feet of free water under me.

I would like to know what the difference in swimming would be with smaller executioners with more interspacing.

That particular instance is bugging me.

I still have 3 months of being frozen solid before i can romp.

[cobalt]

Oops just seen your edit.

If i follow you that argo tire would be set as to one to beat? In otherwords a 10

With some waves 7.5/10 with me and my packsack (10lbs) , full tank of gas, north wind against me.

About 8.0/10 for nice water conditions.

If you use "just by the numbers" i seem to have lost 20-25% with the Kenda. Although most would agree, it's never pure math.

The Kenda's did tend to correct better (quicker) for waves /chop than the argo tires.


If your asking my opinion as to which is the better or the two. If you spend a-lot of time on water and trails that have few sticky mud holes then the original argo with the added 25% would get you there faster or perhaps 2 hours earlier to the camp (example based on 8 hour scale).

If you literally take the "all terain" part of AATV seriously then the Executioners are much better.

That's about all i can recall for the moment.

If i think of something else that is pertainant. I will post it.

[mudbug3]

cobalt,


An 8.0 for the Kenda Executioner tire , and a 10 for the Argo frontier tire ,when comparing water speed, is not that bad of a trade off. Considering all of the good things this tire does, and it wears like iron people say, this sounds like a winner to me! Do you run your Excutioners all foward or all backwards for best water performance?

[cobalt]

Forward like a normal atv. I've not tried them inverted yet.

The argo tires have a sidewinder (side) counter tread pattern which make sense for water/ However on land or even mud that action acts like a rasp (very rough wood working file).

It did not take me long to go though a set of argo tires, on these gravel roads.

[jpswift1]

Forward like a normal atv. I've not tried them inverted yet.

The argo tires have a sidewinder (side) counter tread pattern which make sense for water/ However on land or even mud that action acts like a rasp (very rough wood working file).

It did not take me long to go though a set of argo tires, on these gravel roads.

And forget about replacing those darn Argo tires, it was probably cheaper to get the Kenda Excutioners. Those Argo tires are unbelieveably expensive!