Buying a new HDI

[thejunkman]

I guess what ever type of machine you own you will always have issues with them max/argo/muddox/honda polaris anything i am partners with white flag argo in southern Maine but we are closing up shop for sales on Argo i have thought about taking Max or Muddox under my wing but with the economy today its a big risk i just feel bad for the guys with the admiral tranny who have been having issues its a big investment to purchase a machine .Some people who own these have not had any trouble at all with numerous hours on them . I remember one of my maxs that i bought new in 2006 it was a max 4 with the 23hp kohler i could not get that thing to stop belt squeel no matter if it was empty or loaded the belt would chirp once and a while finally i sold it . So im not slamming Argo at all just want people who are looking to by a machine to make sure they do their shopping and see whats out there ..oh and Vader im ready to pull you out with my max when we go for a ride.

[thejunkman]

Actually i wish i was a max dealer....

[Model Citizen]

The T-20 generates heat as we had readings on the T-20's from a heat gun while in the Glamis Dunes. The T-20 is also located behind the driver which makes the heat issue less noticeable.

A while back Whipper & wfo did some off roading north of Tucson. We posted the videos in the Max IV springer thread, I think. It was pretty extreme rock climbing & the ride was continuously uphill. When they finally got to the top of the climb, the T-20 was radiating so much heat that when you threw some water at it, it sizzled like water on a griddle. They let it cool down, then headed back. Later, out of curiosity, Whipper decided to open up the T-20 to see if any damage was done. There wasn't any. It looked fine. Even the fluid was fine. Pretty amazing, because it probably could have been bad.
So, knowing that we would be riding for long stretches with resistance from the sand at Glamis, Whipper bought a heat gun so he could take readings on all the T-20's just to see what they registered. Each machine had a different reading & we really have no idea what is a mean range.
We thought anyone out there with a T-20 might want to know why Whipper was checking all the T-20's. He just gets curious about things like that.

Bridget

[Model Citizen]

Wow. That could be good.. If you detonate anything, then you know who to take it to.

Bridget

[lewis]

Will not tell a soul!

[vader8x8]

sssshhhh! Hey guys don't tell him i told you but the junkman is a max dealer in maine that turns wrenches for the argo dealer down the highway a bit.......i think he's biased against argos.......im supposed to go riding with him soon so sssshhhhh

[Slimpickin]

I'm with RD, although I've not had anything to do with the avenger. I have little trouble with my conquests and I do put them them through some tough terain. I don't have a lot invested either, but it does take a little maintenance.

Slim

[akpride]

I think he was talking about towing a meat trailer with a big load causing belt/tray heat issues

[lamonte Halleran]

hi there just wanted to know what did you mean when you said about the hdi pulling
a trailer.

[mightymaxIV]

AK- a Mudd Ox certainly has some advantages in areas you described. Having seen Mudbugs track equipped Mudd Ox up close and personal I can tell you they are well built and unstoppable in the mud. The ability to change directions any time is a great advantage climbing, ascending or any other trail condition. Very powerful machine.

[Rock Doctor]

Hey, you know I never really considered decending a hill like that with an Argo, especially a heavily loaded Argo. Could turn into a runaway "Deathtrap" pretty easy if you're not right on top of things. Imagine snapping an idler chain on the way down
Anyway it is a great pic

RD

[akexpress]

It's a great pic, and does say alot, but I don't see where it says that quads or argos can't make a trip like that



RD

RD you are absolutely right because there were in fact two 700cc quads on this trip (Yamaha Grizzlys). However we most times cannot get them thru the swamps to where we end up downing the moose or if we can get them there they can not haul much out at a time. the Mudd-Ox can haul the whole moose and three people where ever we point it. Also we used to take an argo back there prior to the Mudd-Ox. It was not an HDI. the problem with the argo was that about 20 miles back there is a very very steep long hill (2500 ft of vertical over about a mile) that the argo was hard to control going down and could not climb up with out a quad either pulling or pushing it up. This hill has some turns in it and trying to negoiate the turns with the argo would rob enough power that it could not climb it without assistance and this is with out a trailer. The Mudd-Ox allows the descent with great control and climbs it with the trailer easily. In fact if the quads are towing trailers we use the Ox to assist them up the hill. Argos have a long good history here in Alaska and are very capable machines it just seems like the Mudd-Ox offers some advantages and is definately built stronger although that comes with a weight penalty. BTW I appreciate your informative experienced posts and your are a true asset to these forums.

[mudbug3]

Damn I use atrailer and haul a heavy load every year. I might just be getting the mudd ox after all but the HDIwas so smooth.

akpride


Before I bought my 2011, Argo Frontier , I used to own a 2010, Mudd-Ox 8x8. I have ridden an Argo 8x8 , HDI with tracks ,and when compared to the Mudd-Ox 8x8 with tracks that I used to own, the heavier Mudd-Ox rode even better than the Argo HDI. With a lighter machine you get tossed around a lot more when driving through very rough terrain.

[Rock Doctor]

I bought a 2010 HDI 750 avenger last year and it is great.My friend got a 2004 700 avenger and it's no comparison to the HDI.

Would you be willing to expand on that at all? I'm interested in varying viewpoints, and experience in different conditions. Is it simply that you have more power and can turn a little tighter in Low that makes it "No Comparison"? I have 2 friends that run 2004 Avengers, and have had very little in the way of problems. One of them has replaced an Idler brng and an Axle Brng, the other has not had to do anything other than routine maintenance (I always bug them that their machines don't have enough power to hurt themselves)
I also know of one 2004 that had Trans problems, but I believe that was a known issue (weak or undersized Snapring holding a gear on a shaft) and has an upgrade/fix available.
I'm not impressed with the tires that came on the 2004's, but if you don't do much swimming it's a non-issue.

RD

[mudbug3]

Just had a 2011 hdi arrive at my shop today for repairs 82 hrs on it admiral tranny will not stay in gear keeps jumping out sounds like shifting forks to me.

thejunkman


Was this Argo being used in low gear for long periods of time ,and also counter rotating a lot?