Argo vs. Max vs. ?

[Mike]

Here it is, the one thing that 6x6 enthusiasts fight about the most Which AATV is the best off road machine. Of course it would be nice if you listed which specific models you were referring to and your reason too But it's all in fun so support your favorite Amphib here!

[Robio_8x8]

I respect all AATVs but choose the Argo

I choose the Argo for the following reasons

The steering is very used friendly Tee handle type
The front Engine seems to give it a very efficient use of space for passages and cargo
When you put an outboard engine on it the back end does not go below the water line
I do not know why but the Max's I have seen seem to take on Water even newish ones
The Max price tag is the same or greater for me up in Canada maybe they are Cheaper in the USA
If you know any real advantages to the Max Please let me know so far I have not seen any

[boncrshr]

My guess for Max over Argo would be the T-20....

[Roger S]

Max's are weight balanced and fly level through the air

[jpswift1]

My guess for Max over Argo would be the T-20....

Excactly. Any T-20 machine will provide superior performance with its ture 6 wheel drive, compared to Argo's open differential transmission. I have owned rebuilt, and seen many different machines perform in a wide variety of situations and the Attex, Hustler, and Max machines are clearly have the most advantages of the bunch.

[Robio_8x8]

Which cost less to fix

The T-20 or what ever the Argo uses

I have seen allot of talk about the T-20 and thought that the Argo used it.
How do you find the steering with the stick over the handles bars?
I am not a big fan of the rear engine but I see some advantages to weight balance.

Maybe you guys can convert me

[jpswift1]

Argo does not use a T-20. Their transmission is an open differential that steers with disc brakes. As long as you keep both sticks forward on a T-20 machine, every wheel will drive......it won't stop or have an uncontrolled transfer of torque/ power to one side or another as the terrain varies like an open differential. The rear engine allows the machine to float level in the water which is another reason why I am a big fan of Maxes and other T-20 machines. I absolutely love the stick steering, and after driving these machines for a while, I or anyone else who has driven these machinees can maneuver the machine as good if not better than handle bar equppied vehicles like four wheelers and dirtbikes, especially with the zero turning radius. If you're ever at a ride come and take any of my T-20 equppied 6x6's for a ride and see what you can do in the mud.

The T-20 or what ever the Argo uses

I have seen allot of talk about the T-20 and thought that the Argo used it.
How do you find the steering with the stick over the handles bars?
I am not a big fan of the rear engine but I see some advantages to weight balance.

Maybe you guys can convert me

[rdr]

Excactly. Any T-20 machine will provide superior performance with its ture 6 wheel drive, compared to Argo's open differential transmission. I have owned rebuilt, and seen many different machines perform in a wide variety of situations and the Attex, Hustler, and Max machines are clearly have the most advantages of the bunch.

amennnnn

[Robio_8x8]

How many different systems are used?

The Argo seems to use a sealed system so I am not sure what you mean by open differential. So I guess this is one type of system

The T-20 I have seen used in many machines so I guess this is a Second type of system

I have seen an open concept type system on Jiger, Scrambles and some uncommon machines so this would be a third type of system I have seen. I have herd bad things about the open system but it may be easy to fix and identify the problems

what is the name of the Argo system

[Roger S]

The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

[jpswift1]

This should explain what an open differential is a little better.......

What is a differential?

[jerrynuss]

Leg room in the Max II is more comfortable than the Argo or Max IV. It is not nose heavy and not as prone to do an endo as the six wheel front engine machine with hydraulic brakes.

[Robio_8x8]

Simple is somtimes better

The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

Simplicity is sometimes the best and most reliable way to go


I am interested in that Hoot I saw on here. I wonder what they sell for

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/other-aatvs/1815-hoot-aatv.html

[Mike]

The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

Robbie, open differential doesn't mean that the parts are exposed. It is a system that puts power to the wheels with the least resistance just like many automobiles. The opposite of open differential is a locked (or sometimes limited slip) differential where both sides get equal power.

If your Argo is stuck in the mud on one side and on solid ground on the other, without any input from you other than throttle, the tires in the mud would get all the power since they have the least resistance.

In the T20's case, it acts as two separate transmissions. You could apply power to either side that you choose.

there are of course other factors to consider but hopefully that explains it a little more?

[Robio_8x8]

Ok I was off on the terminology

I though open was all parts exposed not limited slip or posy

Really the Argo is a slip type? Maybe I should add left and right independent braking