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TURNEROFFROAD, no updates to speak of, I haven't had a chance to test drive either the two person or five person machine yet, I did find out that there is a dealership in Sweden which is a little closer than Russia, I travel to Europe every so often so right now my best bet is probably visiting the Swedish dealership to check them out. I'll let you know how that goes and my impression of them as soon as it takes place, but right now it could be a while since my employer has restricted overseas travel to try to save money in these tight times.Comment
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Not trying to be a kill joy, but is it me or does this look less than impressive?
I can't tell if it's the machine or the drivers. I think it might just be the lack of driving skill, seems like the driver is very afraid to lay on the gas and stay there. Maybe he thinks he'll break something (they are making field repairs later). Or maybe he's addicted to using a winch?
But it's almost as if the machine lacked enough track bite, or the fact the tracks sit so low and offer no buoyancy that the machine sits very low in mud and water unlike a tire/tiretrack argo.
Again it’s hard to image such a set-up wouldn’t excel in this environment, it may just be lack of driving technique. I’ve seen stock MaxIV’s handle this kind of terrain, and none of us here would image an Escargo or Adair equipped machine would even slow going through this kind of stuff.
The idea of a tracked Argo that doesn’t suffer from chain wind up, maintaining air pressure or throwing a track and damaging rubber and has the benefit of maximizing ground clearance, suspension and simplicity is one I to would enjoy.
Yet maybe the extra float of the air filled tires and the open steel tread of the Adair tracks really makes an unbeatable combination?Comment
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allwheeldrive, you bring up some very valid points, and not knowing the skill level of the operators and the video not showing a continuous story it is hard to comment on, but it is one of the reasons I would need to test drive both models before committing to them to see just how good or bad they do handle the difficult terrain and water crossings. I think in general having just tracks on bogies is going to have some distinct advantages over the tire/track set up as you mention but operating in water might not be one of them unless the top half of the track can get above the water line so it is not fighting the bottom half, sort of the way the rear tires on an Argo 8x8 propel the vehicle along better since they are half way out of the water compared to the front tires that are submerged and fighting the forward motion with the top of the tire under the water line. I do like the idea of not having six or eight wheel/tires to maintain and having a real suspension to absorb the bumps that can be tailored to suit the ride quality needs of the user just by changing the spring rates on the suspension springs, something you can't do with the air tire machines from Argo, Max, and Mudd-Ox.Comment
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i agree, the wheeled version is an argo knock off with a real kool looking upper body, the chain system looks like they took it right off the argo web site. as with most things russian and china, they have to reverse engineer everything sadly. the main issue i would have would be the motor, argo and max for that matter always used kohlers and briggs for a reason, bullet proof. parts i think would be a nightmare . i would love to try one on my property in maine thats for sure. if anyone has a chance please post it.Comment
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i agree, the wheeled version is an argo knock off with a real kool looking upper body, the chain system looks like they took it right off the argo web site. as with most things russian and china, they have to reverse engineer everything sadly. the main issue i would have would be the motor, argo and max for that matter always used kohlers and briggs for a reason, bullet proof. parts i think would be a nightmare . i would love to try one on my property in maine thats for sure. if anyone has a chance please post it.Comment
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I LOOKED AT THAT VIDEO, nothing but problems. better to have a set of tracks over tires, better flotation and no debris to get lodged in their.Comment
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I stumbled across this lil rig today....
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That heavy pig really tears up the terrain. An normal 6x6 or 8x8 with tracks leaves much less of a destructive path.Comment
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they sure have alot of great mud over there !! j.b.Comment
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J,B You need to take your Max II over there and show them how it's Done !Originally posted by john swenson View PostComment
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Yes, the Germans experienced it first hand during WW2. This vehicle seems to use the narrow track system of their German adversaries. I would think that a country that designed a great tank like the T34 with its super wide tracks which handled mud and snow well, would use the same concept of wide tracks for superior traction and floatation. The machine in the video appears to struggle with those average grade obstacles and sure tore up the ground it operated on.Originally posted by john swenson View PostComment
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In fairness I'm sure this machine produces many times less PSI than a T-34 wide tracks or not. And thus no "tank" could drive where it is. In some sense track width is retaliative. A Tiger II appears to have very wide tracks yet produces ground pressure well above any 4x4 tire when aired down. Or more pressure than a theoretical 1,000 pounds ATV with 8 foot long 1" wide tracks.Originally posted by Noel Woods View PostComment
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My tank example was an analogy. I was more concerned about track width and floatation and not comparing this AATV with a tank.Comment
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