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    EPA Attacks AATV's

    Go to this link...see what is coming!!
    Obama’s ‘Abusive’ EPA Edict Targets Bikers, ATV Aficianados & Gardeners Too | RedState

    the EPA (yours, mine, ours) has made a requirement that either a pump be dedicated to E15 OR that a minimum of four gallons of fuel be purchased. I don't know how they are going to enforce it (can't complete the electronic pay-at-the-pump purchase until four gallons dispensed?) but the AMA has this article regarding the mandate:
    Page not found - American Motorcyclist Association
    http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/news/rightsnews/12-08-07/Officials_mandating_minimum_four-gallon_gas_purchase_from_certain_pumps.aspx


    I ride bike's and was notified about this but I do not think it will bother us BUT you never know. I for one refuse to run that watter in my tanks.


    Please understand that I placed this thread under review by the other moderators and not just me.
    Last edited by Mike; 10-03-2012, 09:07 PM. Reason: moved thread from general discussion to chit chat
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  • #2
    SOCIALISM!!
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 627cc Vanguard
    1982 GMC K-10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Diesel
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1986 Honda ATC 250ES Big Red

    There is no Z in Diesel!!

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    • #3
      Political propaganda only intended to influence the upcoming election. E85 has been around a long time, and it has nothing to do with Obama.
      Love him or hate him....please show it in November, not here.

      BTW, My biggest belief is that ALL citizens have the responsibility to vote....it should be required to keep citizenship.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by thebuggyman1 View Post
        Political propaganda only intended to influence the upcoming election. E85 has been around a long time, and it has nothing to do with Obama.
        Love him or hate him....please show it in November, not here.

        BTW, My biggest belief is that ALL citizens have the responsibility to vote....it should be required to keep citizenship.
        Maybe I should clarify, I did not intend any political stance with my comment. That proposal is, by definition, socialistic. The government (ANY government, Republican or Democrat) has no right to say that we have to buy a minimum amount of gas.

        I fully agree with your belief on voting, we can't make things better if we don't try.
        1983 Hustler 945-HK 627cc Vanguard
        1982 GMC K-10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Diesel
        2010 Chevy Silverado 1500
        1974 Honda ATC 70
        1986 Honda ATC 250ES Big Red

        There is no Z in Diesel!!

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        • #5
          im am not going to make this political either, but if we have to buy health care then whats the difference...also if your have to buy 4 gals that means you will be charged for a minimum of 4 gals even though you only pump 1.5 gals..

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          • #6
            NObama. I'm not going to make this politcal either. NObama. Regaurdless of who gets elected there are far too many people out there wanting to regulate everything. NObama. It's hard enough to find somewhere to ride our ATVs today, I hate to think about how it will be in 10 years. NObama. Like I said, let's keep politics out of this NObama.
            Everybody dies, but not everybody lives.

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            • #7
              I agree to a point with sum of the arguments. but we have the E85 hear and it's a lot more cheaper ($3.39 gal) than the regular ($4.10 gal) But I get 1/2 the mileage out of it with my flex-fuel bus. and it's hard to find it when traveling if you wanted to use it. I have a bike that only holds a little over a gallon and one day i stopped for gas. "I only get 25 miles out of it but it's good for the short trips into town and back." the pump only had one hose and it also served E85 out of the same nozzle, when i filed up the pump and hose was still fulled with E85 and i wanted to pump 87 octane. after the fill up the bike began running real bad till i was able to fill up again with good gas. after that i stay away from them type of pump's.

              I don't want to make this thread political or any thing. I just thought I'd put this out there that it may happen. We the people have the ability to change the government's mind. will they listen is a different story.
              Last edited by FREQ42; 10-04-2012, 12:21 AM.

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              • #8
                Hmm. A few folks around here go to the local airport and buy 100LL AvGas. A little bit of lead and no alcohol and high octane. Costs more than car gas but small engines love the stuff. Granted, some of the larger airport operators won't sell for non-aviation use but most of the smaller ones will, even a couple of gallons.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by famvburg View Post
                  Hmm. A few folks around here go to the local airport and buy 100LL AvGas. A little bit of lead and no alcohol and high octane. Costs more than car gas but small engines love the stuff. Granted, some of the larger airport operators won't sell for non-aviation use but most of the smaller ones will, even a couple of gallons.
                  The EPA is trying to get rid of 100LL too..... Be careful that your mixture is adjusted properly when running 100LL, if you run too rich it will foul your plugs like nothing else.
                  1983 Hustler 945-HK 627cc Vanguard
                  1982 GMC K-10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Diesel
                  2010 Chevy Silverado 1500
                  1974 Honda ATC 70
                  1986 Honda ATC 250ES Big Red

                  There is no Z in Diesel!!

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                  • #10
                    I'd be very sad to see 100LL go the way of Sunoco 260. Two-strokes thrive on the stuff, but then two- strokes are heading that way too.
                    Stuck in the seventies- not in the swamp.

                    (6) Attex, a Hustler, a Super Swamp Fox, (2) Tricarts, (3) Tri-sports, a Sno-co trike, 3 Dunecycles, and a Starcraft! ...so far

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Don View Post
                      I'd be very sad to see 100LL go the way of Sunoco 260. Two-strokes thrive on the stuff, but then two- strokes are heading that way too.
                      100 octane Avgas is going to be around in some form for a long time I'm sure. There are too many people in the GA community flying planes that require it. The FAA isn't going to let them make us run ethanol in our planes, it causes too many safety issues. With Cessna's new Diesel 182, I think we are going to see alot more piston aircraft running on Jet-A. IMHO, diesel is the way everything should be headed. Low maintenance, lower fuel consumption, and better longevity, as well as being able to run on most oils (I've seen one run on ATF...), makes diesel engines an excellent choice IMO.
                      1983 Hustler 945-HK 627cc Vanguard
                      1982 GMC K-10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Diesel
                      2010 Chevy Silverado 1500
                      1974 Honda ATC 70
                      1986 Honda ATC 250ES Big Red

                      There is no Z in Diesel!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stonewall View Post
                        100 octane Avgas is going to be around in some form for a long time I'm sure. There are too many people in the GA community flying planes that require it. The FAA isn't going to let them make us run ethanol in our planes, it causes too many safety issues. With Cessna's new Diesel 182, I think we are going to see alot more piston aircraft running on Jet-A. IMHO, diesel is the way everything should be headed. Low maintenance, lower fuel consumption, and better longevity, as well as being able to run on most oils (I've seen one run on ATF...), makes diesel engines an excellent choice IMO.
                        Interesting stuff for sure.IMO if it comes down to EPA vs FAA, my $$$ will be on the FAA.

                        Joe.
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                        • #13
                          Until they find a suitable replacement, which won't be any time soon, it'll be here. I don't know of anyone who's had any plug fouling problems, but maybe we've just been lucky.

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                          • #14
                            GARY JOHNSON 2012

                            lol sorry

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stonewall View Post
                              100 octane Avgas is going to be around in some form for a long time I'm sure. There are too many people in the GA community flying planes that require it. The FAA isn't going to let them make us run ethanol in our planes, it causes too many safety issues. With Cessna's new Diesel 182, I think we are going to see alot more piston aircraft running on Jet-A. IMHO, diesel is the way everything should be headed. Low maintenance, lower fuel consumption, and better longevity, as well as being able to run on most oils (I've seen one run on ATF...), makes diesel engines an excellent choice IMO.
                              Not to mention the availability of Jet-A vs. 100LL in remote locations. Not a big deal here in the lower 48 but 100LL is sparse in other countries. Stonewall, I can't believe you called the new 182 the "D" word.

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