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  • #16
    For the small port 14-20 heads, 1" or 1.125 ID is big enough, 12 to 15 inches length. If you bring them into a collector, the rear pipe can be longer than the front. Collector design is an art of it's own, you might look around. Otherwise matched duals are fine, but two into one always gives a broader torque curve, starting at a lower rpm. Larger diameter tubes will kill low end. Whipper's heads have bigger ports than ours.

    You can buy flanges from EC, but ask about tubing size, they may have more than one. The sleeve liners in the exhaust ports, leave them out. The problem with your muffler is the header pipes are too short. Flywheels, for the record, anything un governed is unsafe. A lot of the small mower engines have cheesy flywheels that can come apart. I was not told to get rid of the stock flywheel on the vanguard. Whipper's engine supplier said a stock wheel would be "ok" at the rpms he operates at A guy could build a scattershield..

    The clutch, as I mentioned.. my 3 year old powerblock coughed up a lead slug at 6000. It was 3 years old and had two years of up to 6 grand operation. The phenolic "pucks" that hold the weights need to be inspected for cracks, or replaced yearly, that's my schedule. Not exceeding 5 grand often, lowers my anxiety level about a lot of things. 6 isn't that much faster anyway. No knowledge about the Max secondary clutch integrity..

    I guess you used the offset key this time? I don't blip the throttle any more off a low idle, with high compression and 30 degrees fixed advance.. don't let it knock, it can break things. Richening it up will help also. Buy a .040" drill and use it on the main jet.


    What cam did precission give you? and what lash did they recommend. This'll be at TDC, no more 1/4" past to worry about

    Briggs makes a factory oil cooler, with a replacement oil filter adapter that is tapped for hoses. Richard Clark has them but don't know details or price. Otherwise something more substancial like Whipper or Meinfeld's coolers have to be better.
    Last edited by Roger S; 05-01-2009, 11:23 AM.
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    • #17
      George Herrin set me up with a 265 profile. At first John at EC wasn't going to recommend a cam, but I am glad that I did. Geroge spoke up while I was on the phone with John and immediately knew what I wanted and what the application was.

      Here is some BIG NEWS: I have no problems using the pull starter!

      Put 100LL in the tank and what a difference. This thing is sick!!! Can't wait to get it on the trail.

      Also, I left the stock flywheel key in. I wanted the torque and not the revs. It will turn 5 grand easy, and that is plenty for me right now.

      I can't wait to put a real exhaust on. Gutting the stock exhaust was a mistake! I did learn how to use my wire feed welder though!

      Later guys,
      Rut
      2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
      Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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      • #18
        Glad it runs good.. I have no idea why the pull start works Mine is like pulling on a boat anchor, plug wires on or off.

        I was hesitant to change the stock cam too, after hearing Matt's story about his Al Hodge vanguard.. but Herrin said the 265 grind would pull from 2200 on up. I had no loss of low end, had more power all the way up. Maybe the compression increase compensated for it. The 265 is not a wild cam anyway, sort of a healthy "street" cam. It's easy on the stock rocker arms, too.

        It took the whole day. I only broke long enough to eat 2 ice cream sandwiches and drink 2 bud lights.
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        • #19
          I just bought a 24hp honda motor from a guy that races mini pro mods,This motor has a two barrel carb on it.He said the 2 barrel made a big difference in the performance.This guy had a 18 vangaurd with the same carb on it.
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          • #20
            $20 Lowes Exhaust

            Made a new exhaust system today. Works great, but on the loud side. Sounds like a Harley with straight pipes. I used 1" Conduit and a couple of $4 lawnmower mufflers.

            I am begining to think I have too much power now. I can spin the ASX Vamps without any problem now and drift arround corners. This thing is crazy!

            BTW: With the thin head gasket and long rod, I was able to change sparkplug gap with the piston.

            I installed new platnium plugs with 2 washers.

            Rut
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            2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
            Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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            • #21
              I hope the honda24 makes my maxll wake up a little,The 14 briggs will do OK with one person.There is nothing worse than getting in a tight situation and running out of power.Your's sounds like it is doing pretty good,Thats the way i like to roll.
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              • #22
                Sounds like a plan. I think the 24 Honda will be great. Does it have a 1" straight shaft for your clutch?
                2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
                Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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                • #23
                  I started to mention the plug clearance, I thought it might be ok with the head not milled. Depends on how the ground electrode indexes when you screw it in. Hasn't happened to me with the .040 stock gaskets but it's a common problem. I used the conduit also. Hope you didn't breath the galvanized fumes.. happy to hear your satisfied with the power. Drill the main jet if you havn't, it's only a couple thousandths, but adds power and keeps combustion temps down, not overly rich at all.
                  Last edited by Roger S; 05-03-2009, 08:32 PM.
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                  • #24
                    I do plan on drilling the jet, and also moving the breather tube. I'm getting a little oil in the filter area especially since using the Briggs 5W30 Syn oil.

                    What kind of speeds do you get on your machine? I need to get used to the new power. I find myself trying to slow down way to much. You pull the throttle and launch like a rocket. I was suprised how much the exhaust made a difference over the gutted stock. It is very easy to hit over 5,000rpm, might research possibility of a rev limiter.

                    Rut
                    2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
                    Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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                    • #25
                      Have never checked the speed, it's low geared so not that fast. Non synthetic is recommended for break in, might be your oil problem, syn is too slick for ring seating. What did you do for a bore finish.
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                      • #26
                        Roger,

                        I used the stock pre-broken in rings with the same pistons in the same hole. Did not hone or anything. I do not have any oil fouling or wet oily sparkplugs. My piston rings are sealed fine. Did this because I have a new low time engine.

                        The only part not traditionaly broke in would be the rod bearings.

                        The oil is coming from the breather, it was doing this a little before the mods with the 30W oil. Might be a little overfull. I put in 48 ounces.
                        2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
                        Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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                        • #27
                          Then moving the breather will take care of it.

                          The exhaust does make a huge difference. That's why mine is not quiet. Any attempt to muffle the thing takes away upper end power.
                          To Invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. (Thomas Edison)

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                          • #28
                            I really enjoyed building the exhaust. Probably going to make some more or at least one more that is not so loud. It will be neat to see if bottom end is lessoned with a muffled exhaust.

                            BTW: I did run 5w30 Pensoil in the engine for an hour before switching to the synthetic.
                            2007 Max IV Hot Rodded Vanguard 18HP?
                            Hi-Speed Clutch, Vampire ASX, 35MPH

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by fulleraviation View Post
                              I really enjoyed building the exhaust. Probably going to make some more or at least one more that is not so loud. It will be neat to see if bottom end is lessoned with a muffled exhaust.

                              BTW: I did run 5w30 Pensoil in the engine for an hour before switching to the synthetic.
                              I talked to a friend that owns a muffler shop today,He said that he could get some 11/2 inch glass packs that sound good for $35 a piece.I have 11/4 on my honda,I think I'll try them out and see how they sound .How much of a difference did the duals make.
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                              • #30
                                Exhaust theory, I liked this page.

                                RB Racing LSR 2-1 Exhaust Technology
                                To Invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. (Thomas Edison)

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