Tires slipping on rims

[ianferron]

I have a Argo magnum 8x8 and my 2 front tires keep slipping on rims under load. There new tires that came with the argo when I bought it. The tires have V thread not sure the brand but they have good grip in mud. They will spin in rims under load even I have a lot of air in them. I usually have 5 psi in them but I wish I could run them at 3psi. Is there anything I could do to prevent slippage, like put a glue of some sort on the bead?

[amphibious drew]

You can use a gasket or tire sealer to glue them on the rims.

[Rock Doctor]

I went looking and found this:

Recipes
The proportions of the ingredients for each of these recipes are simply mixed in a jar and applied when needed. One of the best ones consists of 1 part tubeless slime, 2 parts water, 2 parts windshield washer, 2-4 parts latex, plus silicone until the desired consistency. It may seem a bit watery at first, but it sticks well. The color will be a shade of greenish-brown. Add some glitter or rubber dust for thickener.

Other recipes include 8 parts liquid latex mixed with 4 parts windshield washer; 5 parts liquid latex, 5 parts water, and 3-4 parts tubeless slime; and you can also try 3 parts liquid latex, 1 part tubeless slime, and 8 parts water. Of course there are many more proportions that you can try using the same ingredients. One slightly different one would be 1 part liquid latex, 1 part regular non-tubeless slime, plus 3 parts windshield washer fluid. That last one is if you prefer to use non-tubeless slime or if you already have it. There is no need to purchase the tubeless slime.

I like the part where you add the Glitter. Makes my tires all sparkly

RD

[newargoowner]

If you have the money, you can update your rims to beadlock rims.

[JohnF]

I have the same problem and it is really frustrating. I went and used bead sealant to stick all of my tires to the (what argo calls) beadlock rims. Fixed my problem when not in tracks. Yeah, when not in tracks. When I play in tracks I can't go 1 day without having the bead spin on at least one tire which means I have to take the tracks off to fix a tire ... Uhg.

After a trip last spring with a group of 6x6world members and having to stop mid-fun to break out the air compressor to put enough air in to hopefully get back to the truck I put some thought into solutions.

Tubes: mentioned here fairly often but if your problem is spinning on the wheel you will most definitely bust off the valve stem. No gain.

Balls of various types inserted into the tires: Awesome way to keep air in many adverse conditions. Problem with these is that there is a great deal of friction between the balls and heat from this will destroy the balls. Solution to that is to dump a bunch of silicone in with the balls. Now I imagine in these low pressure tires that silicone will make it to the bead and enhance the spinning on the wheel problem, maybe even to the point of just spinning the wheels and not motivating anywhere.

Some sort of anti-leak mixture inside the tire to hold the air. Problem I see here is getting it to actually work at the bead. Some say it works fine - others say it doesn't. I imagine you need to put (relatively) quite a bit to be effective.

Glue the tires on: As I mentioned I tried Bead Sealer. I think the problem here is that it is formulated to be "breakable" so that tire repairs are doable. Many here use Permatex high tack. I'm going this route this winter. In my research I found out that drag racers use the permatex trick to stop their tires from spinning in the wheels and they are dealing with much higher HP. People have mentioned that breaking high tack beads is doable with a generous amount of sweat and verbiage. If that doesn't work for me I may move to 3m 5200, a sealant/adhesive used in the marine industry that comes with the warning that one must consider any two parts stuck together with it a permanent unit.

The best option is REAL beadlock wheels but be ready to fork over a small fortune if you can find them for your machine. I know that one member here has fabricated his own and the pics I saw were beautiful. I want some.

So, I'm trying permatex this winter. It is at least very sticky - on everything.

Oh yeah, foam: snow cats foam fill their boggies and sometimes all of their tires. They have suspensions. Some folks in nasty places where cactus thorns are the common road surface foam fill their tires too. It takes special foam - not stuff you buy at a home improvement store - that is really expensive, heavy, and hard - none of which I consider a good thing for AATVs.

[JohnF]

... parts windshield washer, ...

I think you probably want to make sure this is the anti-freeze version.

[kghills]

Here is a picture of beadlocks on a Max II wheel.


Just take this drawing and have it laser cut from some 3/16 material. 2 per wheel, weld one to the wheel use 3/8 bolts to attach.


Keith.

[spookum]

Get ATV bead lock rims. They only cost about 48 dollars each.... good luck!

Poor boy method is to fill it full of tire slime, add black silicone to the bead, and run 4 or 8 BIG screws through the rim through the tire. The slime and silicon will keep it from spining :^D

[JohnF]

... Just take this drawing and have it laser cut from some 3/16 material. 2 per wheel, weld one to the wheel use 3/8 bolts to attach.

For ATVs I found a kit ($199 for two 10 inch rims) like this. The cool part is the installation video.

I don't know where to find $48 ATV beadlock rims. I'm seeing 10 times that price per 2 rims.

[thebuggyman1]

Get ATV bead lock rims. They only cost about 48 dollars each.

Got a link? The cheapest I've seen them is $150 each.

[Rock Doctor]

For ATVs I found a kit ($199 for two 10 inch rims) like this. The cool part is the installation video.

I don't know where to find $48 ATV beadlock rims. I'm seeing 10 times that price per 2 rims.

Believe it or not, this is quite exciting for me. I've never thought much about Beadlock Rims, never understood how they worked, didn't really have any problems, so didn't really care to look into it.
Why do they only lock the outer side of the rim?
Do many guys run them on aatvs? If so, why?
Who makes these weld on rings? Does Tim (Adair Argo) make them?
How much are they?

I'm probably going to have to research this myself, but thought I would ask to see if anyone here uses them.

RD

[thebuggyman1]

The true beadlocks are pretty much a standard thing in racing.....they lock the outside bead because this is where the force is in cornering. They also keep the wheel from spinning in the tire in the high HP cars. Weld Sprint Rear Wheel from Speedway Motors, America's Oldest Speed Shop

[JoeMeg]

So the outside tire bead does not go on the wheel in the conventional manner but rather just remains "pinched" between the welded on ring and the red ring?

Joe.

[Rock Doctor]

Thanks Buggyman
I have looked into the beadlocks since my earlier post. Pretty cool.
I'm now trying to justify getting my Argo rigged up with a set.
The problem is that I've never had any problems with beads breaking, or tires spinning on the rims. They do look cool though.
Would they help to keep the track tire guides from trying to push tires off the bead, or would they compound that problem? They do add width to the tire/rim assembly, which may cause mire contact with the tire guides.

[thebuggyman1]

Except for a few rare problems people have, I don't think they would do us any good. A good set of modern Argo rims, Recreatives K-lock rims, or Mudd-ox rims do well enough....if you need a little extra, use the hi-tach sealant.