T-20 shift kit

[jpswift1]

couldnt have said it better myself!!!! only thing is you wrecked it for me i was planning on spray painting them and selling them for $78 plus shipping,after all they are used....just kidding

Ah yes, a good old fashioned "spray paint restoration" for a mere $78.......what a great deal! hahahah.

[micmac]

I wanted to apologize to anyone if they thought I was razzing them about buying the kit it was not my intention. My purpose was to highlight that fact that buyer beware of pricing on aftermarket internet 6 wheeler stuff. Know what your getting, shop around, and see if it's something you can't make yourself easily and cheaper. My 2cents

[srg121]

I wanted to apologize to anyone if they thought I was razzing them about buying the kit it was not my intention. My purpose was to highlight that fact that buyer beware of pricing on aftermarket internet 6 wheeler stuff. Know what your getting, shop around, and see if it's something you can't make yourself easily and cheaper. My 2cents

that goes for me too,i quoted micmac the first time becouse i knew his comment was about inspiring people to make there own parts when possible and cost effective.i applaud anyone willing to spend that much money to make there machine better.most wont even shell out that much for a winch,i keep reading about these cheapo $60 harbor freight winches(garbage) and i think a good winch is much more important than a little easier shifting!!! my comment about painting and selling my springs was a JOKE aimed toward the SELLER of the springs NOT the buyer.just ask member JPSWIFT1, he asked me if i would sell him my e brake cable that i was not using,i told him NO ,but that he could have it for free for the cost of shipping since it wasn't in the best cosmetic condition although it worked perfectly!!! NEXT earlier in the thread someone described the "shift kit" as L shaped rods with cotter pins to hold the springs,bad design. Check out the hustler springs in pic.they have threaded hemispherical ends on one side and threads with nuts on other side. these are for adjusting spring tension.since no 2 transmissions are the same AND one side might go into reverce easyer than foward,and vice versa,all 4 springs might want to be adjusted differently!!! the hemi ends that attach to your lingages will adjust the reverse and the nuts in back will adjust forward. what ever side and what ever direction shifts easier should have more tension allowing them to partially engage even further,butting gears should always have very little pressure as not to damage or unnecessarily wear them!!!!! in neutral there should be no spring tension in either direction.start with the hemi end first as this will effect the lenghth of the rod.always loosen the more difficult shifting side,tightening the springs would couse it to not stay in neutral.only slight adjustment are needed,you cannot compensate for bad or worn gears with spring tension.loosening too much may couse one side to not fully engage!!!

[jpswift1]

Im with srg121 and micmac, no offense at all to anyone who paid that much for the shift kit. What's really sad is that someone would try to put together a product that is so inexpensive and then charge so much for it and justify this by saying it is a very high quality part at a good price. The AATV hobby is only a small group of people compared to other hobbies such as quads or dirtbikes and practically every one of us AATV people are really great. Heck, I made tons of new friends on here. So many people have helped me out, as seen in the previous post and if they need anything I would be more than happy to do the same for them. We try to help each other on this great site however possible and we do it WITHOUT any intention of charging astronmical prices to bennifit ourselves. We do it because we love the hobby and we love AATVs. What is really sad is that there are a small handful of people other places on the net that take advantage of people who may be new to the hobby. These people may not know what the going price is for a part and they go and a pay rediculous amount for some parts to get a machine going and then they end up sinking a fortune into it. Then this machine might not ever get finished because it is a "money pit," and then the project becomes abandoned and we lose another potential AATV enthusiast. I have seen it happen and I have bought machines and have friends that have bought the machines that people gave up on. I really hate to see people lose interest becuase of this because we have a relatively small following of AATV people. But we are all now lucky enough to have this invaluable resource on the net called www.6x6world.com where there is a large gathering of AATV enthusiasts who help each other out and promote the hobby in a positve and non-commercial way. I have talked to some people who were very dissapointed because they felt there was only one place on the net to go for AATVs. They had no idea what else to do for parts because they thought there was only one place to find them, and it was way to expensive for them. These folks have since joined 6x6world and they have since got their machines up and running again with help from 6x6world members' advice and parts that they had laying around. I am a little off topic from T-20 shifters but I would just like to thank everyone on 6x6world.com and especially Mike for creating this wonderful site where we can go and post up any crazy AATV idea that we want without the post being deleted. This site isnt even a year old and it has become the best AATV site on the net. I cannot wait to hear about all of the new ideas, projects, and members that will be coming to 6x6world in the future. I have to say that my personal favorite experience is building an AATV on a budget and seeing it transform with the help of some really great people on the site, from a beat up old thing sitting in someone's backyard with weeds growing out of it into something that looks like it rolled right off of the factory production line. Thanks to the greatest AATV site on the net and all of it's members!!!

[micmac]

Im with srg121 and micmac, no offense at all to anyone who paid that much for the shift kit. What's really sad is that someone would try to put together a product that is so inexpensive and then charge so much for it and justify this by saying it is a very high quality part at a good price. The AATV hobby is only a small group of people compared to other hobbies such as quads or dirtbikes and practically every one of us AATV people are really great. Heck, I made tons of new friends on here. So many people have helped me out, as seen in the previous post and if they need anything I would be more than happy to do the same for them. We try to help each other on this great site however possible and we do it WITHOUT any intention of charging astronmical prices to bennifit ourselves. We do it because we love the hobby and we love AATVs. What is really sad is that there are a small handful of people other places on the net that take advantage of people who may be new to the hobby. These people may not know what the going price is for a part and they go and a pay rediculous amount for some parts to get a machine going and then they end up sinking a fortune into it. Then this machine might not ever get finished because it is a "money pit," and then the project becomes abandoned and we lose another potential AATV enthusiast. I have seen it happen and I have bought machines and have friends that have bought the machines that people gave up on. I really hate to see people lose interest becuase of this because we have a relatively small following of AATV people. But we are all now lucky enough to have this invaluable resource on the net called www.6x6world.com where there is a large gathering of AATV enthusiasts who help each other out and promote the hobby in a positve and non-commercial way. I have talked to some people who were very dissapointed because they felt there was only one place on the net to go for AATVs. They had no idea what else to do for parts because they thought there was only one place to find them, and it was way to expensive for them. These folks have since joined 6x6world and they have since got their machines up and running again with help from 6x6world members' advice and parts that they had laying around. I am a little off topic from T-20 shifters but I would just like to thank everyone on 6x6world.com and especially Mike for creating this wonderful site where we can go and post up any crazy AATV idea that we want without the post being deleted. This site isnt even a year old and it has become the best AATV site on the net. I cannot wait to hear about all of the new ideas, projects, and members that will be coming to 6x6world in the future. I have to say that my personal favorite experience is building an AATV on a budget and seeing it transform with the help of some really great people on the site, from a beat up old thing sitting in someone's backyard with weeds growing out of it into something that looks like it rolled right off of the factory production line. Thanks to the greatest AATV site on the net and all of it's members!!!

Bravo Jp I agree with everything in the above post

[budresiew]

Watch those shift pins and ring gears....

Be careful.....Hustlers were notorious for wearing out the shift pins (on the base of the shift assembly) and the internal (revearse) gear of the ring gear because of their "spring loaded" shift design.

[srg121]

heres a pic of the "shift kit" i think,looks like it has extentions on t-20 mechinism.my sidewinder springs went directly to t-20...this is a max 4

[mudbug3]

I bought a " shift kit " from Richard Clark at Route 6x6 , a couple of years ago myself. I received my shift kit from UPS in a box one day , and opened it up as soon as it arrived . When I opened the box , that the shift kit was packaged in , I was shocked and upset ! I was shocked because the shift kit was so simple to build , by any one with just a fraction of common sense . I was also upset that Richard Clark would charge so much for a part that was so easy to make . But , live and learn from your mistakes people say . Does it work ? Yes it does ! After my friend and I installed it on my Max IV , it made a ---- > BIG < ------ difference in the ease of shifting my T-20 . I also ordered the T-20 plunger adjusting tools . These two plunger adjusting tools could have been made for free ,with some quarter inch flat metal . I paid $18.95 for these ! After I adjusted each side of my T-20 using these tools , my T-20 shifted wonderful ! But ,this is because my T-20 transmission was not properly adjusted from the factory where I bought it .

[Roger S]

Forgive me if I don't understand what's going on here. What if the shifter moved fully into position and stayed there by mechanical means like a shift gate, you could let go of it and let the springs finish the actual shift when everything aligned. Is the spring/washer stuff too crude for that to happen? I can see the need to have that stuff adjusted exactly.

[srg121]

not sure if the max or attex does but the hustlers do have 3 position locking mechanism with spring release on top of handle. problem is there is to much "throw" or "travel" with t-20 mechanism. that would put to much force on butting gear set. holding pressure on handle is not the problem,2 transmissions and 1 handle is the problem!!

[jerrynuss]

Roger what you described is exactly what the springs on the rods will accomplish. The trick is to adjust them so they are neutral, (not applying pressure) when they do drop into gear. A person can eliminate a lot of the shifting problem by keeping everything adjusted correctly, not having the chains to the jack shaft to tight, shift while slightly rolling or rocking the Max, giving it some gas to get the input shaft to move then letting it go back to idle and try shifting again. I have the split shifter mod on my Hustler with no springs and that works well. On Maxs I leave them stock. It is a hassle when a person is stuck in a mud hole rut and wants to go forward to the maximum then shift to reverse and hit it the other direction. On your Argo you can just throw the lever and it will go into gear. The Max is not as easy to get along with, but it sure beat the machines with the electric reverse or no reverse gear.