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Originally posted by curtisbyrne
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indeed they are. they should totally re design the old standard transmission but with out put shafts like the admiral but still skid steer.Comment
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I'm not sure why everyone seems to not like the Admiral trans? Other then the price, lol.
People think you can't skid steer it but you can and more especially in Low Gear. It's progressive, I'll try and take vids this winter on a pond doing doughnuts to show how tight it really is even in High range. It's like the width of the machine when surface conditions allow. I would hate to run tracks with a classic style trans everyday driving especially in summer conditions. The Admiral trans is like Power Steering for Argo's what I tell everyone, it really is worth it, one hand driving all day long.
There is a lot of factors at play that won't even allow a full skid steer to zero turn cause there is too much resistance in traction like with high traction rubber or metal tracks anyways.
With the high torque trans my machine has the gearing to do it but you can feel the strain and you know you're gonna break things pushing your luck when you can feel that tension in Low range so I barely used it except when in water or winter conditions.Comment
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Before i got the admiral my understanding was that in low range it would skid steer like the classic transmission.
It does , however, unlike the classic it still provides torque to both sides even in low range. you cannot grab a tire when floating and stop that side from spinning. There is a limit to the torque the admiral provides. when buried in thick mud it sometimes will only turn one side. jerking the handle bar will get both sides spinning but you are hopelessly stuck anyway.
I thought it would counter rotate but to my understanding this feature was removed in 2017 models. I dont know why. My dealer couldnt provide me with an answer either.Comment
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I don't understand the fuss about counter rotation? Both units I owned counter rotated but to the point it would be pointless to even mention it?
What do you mean there is a limit to the torque the admiral provides? I've been in some nasty stuff and never had an issue turning either side of my tracks in High or Low range. Maybe it's due to the High Torque trans I am running but I also had about 100HRS on the current machine with a Regular geared 6.4 trans as well...
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Its still a differential. Lets say you fully jammed one side you will find that applying throttle will only allow one side to spin unless you applied steering. It does apply torque to both sides but it has a limit to how much force it will apply. It is not fully locked. The pic you provide is certainly a muddy situation but stick one side against a stump or embankment and it will stop driving one side. Dont get me wrong i love the admiral transmission I had the classic for 17 years so I know the difference but to think the admiral is fully locked on both sides when going straight is not true.
So if the counter rotation is useless then they should have made it where it wasnt. True counter rotation would be a benefit in certain situations.Comment
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I get what your saying and totally agree. I normally hate differentials that aren't locked but this setup seems to work pretty darn good in High Range. Very well balanced and the right ratio for my style of driving and conditions. Could it be better, well I think there's room to make everything better so yup. Haha
I'm not master at diffs but is there a way to make a mechanical diff that would counter rotate? The only way I understand of achieving that would be by hydraulics which are too heavy and haven't proved to be necessary in my situation. I have a hard time getting the unit stuck as is with my setup.I like to keep my machines as light as possible, and as simple as possible when far out in the boonies.
Great convo btw!Comment
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I think the big news isn't the transmission, its the fact that there will be a 40hp option on some models. The extra power will make the machine really perform well. Several years back I had an Argo 6x6 that had a Generac 30hp conversion. Even though the machine had the old school transmission the extra power made it perform like an Admiral but without the noted issues of the Admiral.
My hat is off to Argo. Thinking outside the box will allow their product line to evolve and meet the expectations of consumers.Comment
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how well do you people think a 40hp air cooled briggs will hold up. air cooled got me wondering unless they have a new design of air flow to the engine??Comment
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Good point. I just wish they would have available the best HP/transmission in the lineup on ALL MODELS.Originally posted by curtisbyrne View Post
Too many variables now...starting to think about a side by side UTV with tracks as I don’t really swim my Argo...although if the opportunity arose I would.
Trouble is in my state you have to register as a boat AND an atv. You can’t go on trails because it’s too wide, etc. Too much baloney.Comment
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Most of the new Argos have the fan kit available either as a standard feature or as an option. I live in Texas and can verify that even in high heat it makes for a must have, no engine over heating at all. The large commercial grade engines also have a big cooling fan. Between the induction fan and the hood fan my machine has never over heated.Comment
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is this a 750 liquid cooled your talking about noel? i know my engine doesn't heat but gets to a point where it irritates me how hot it gets and its only a 18hp. A 40hp is a lot bigger and will run hotter i just dont understand why briggs doesn't have a liquid cooled model of this engine. maybe an oil cooler will be sufficient?Comment
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No, its a 747cc Air cooled Kohler. Fuel injected, never over heats. I know the Briggs engines over-heated all the time, that's why I upgraded to Kohler.Comment
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What are some of the "Noted" issues of the Admiral trans? I've heard about these but yet to experience any in approx 500hrs of driving them.Originally posted by Noel Woods View Post
I've heard some neutral switch issues and the odd high/low shift cable adjustments mainly.Comment
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Same deal with me, haven't ever seen past half on my temp gauge. BUT! The heat gets so hot in the engine bay and can't get it out fast enough that my fuel line is vaporizing and my machine cuts out to the point of barely idling, hard starting with lots of throttle and playing with the choke to get any fuel to the carb without flashing off.Originally posted by Noel Woods View Post
I plant to add the cowl fan no matter what, and do some heat protection on my fuel line but this should have been solved from the factory.
Keeping the motors cool on Argo's I don't think is much of the problem as much as getting that heat out of the engine bay.
The combination of being enclosed and right next to the transmission with skid steering brakes dragging all the time is a recipe for disaster when worked hard.
I think the motor will do fine, I've been getting sick and tired of topping up my coolant all the time and always been a big believer in fan cooled motors for reliability. I've had my fair share of warped heads and overheating winching through muskeg on many liquid cooled machines that I have lost faith in them really. I personally think this is a great move, even greater is the return of carburated models! How come no one has mentioned this yet???? A+ in my mind.Comment
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