Argo vs. Max vs. ?

[benrich]

Not Happy with my Argo

My argo is a snale and its steering is not to responsive its tough to measure up to a guy like whipper or his wife for that matter, Im always last in line. Not for long though........

[philipatmaxfour]

Which is best

I like the Max because I would want to be just like the guy in the Orange suit if I was 35 years younger! HA Ha HA

[Robio_8x8]

Slip differential in Argo

I don't see why the T-20 would do any more damage to grass than an Argo transmission. Both are braking to make the turn. The damage to the grass would be more due to tires used and how aggressive a person is turning.

T-20 has a possi differential
Harder on tires bearings etc but give you better traction

might be in canda but here i doin't think so . i love my max and would not have anything but a max..

Its Global sales are very high and I am not saying it is the best product just a good seller. Coke may be the best known Soda-pop but you may like Pepsi.

Almost all the ads I see even from most parts of the USA will reference an AATV as an Argo style vehicle

Case in point
Max II six-wheeler, amphibious 6x6, not Argo or bigfoot
Zebulon, NC, United States

eBay Motors: Max II six-wheeler, amphibious 6x6, not Argo or bigfoot (item 120213231083 end time Jan-25-08 13:32:40 PST)

New Jersey, United States
Sierra Trail Boss 6 X 6 ATV amphibious ARGO MAX ATTEX
eBay Motors: Sierra Trail Boss 6 X 6 ATV amphibious ARGO MAX ATTEX (item 120214278736 end time Jan-29-08 20:50:41 PST)

2006 Max IV-600T Amphibious ......like an Argo 6x6 ATV

it is the scotch tape brand of scotch tape

[jpswift1]

Perceptions of popularity of machines certainly vary depending on your location. I live in Buffalo where they produce Maxes, but if I lived in Pittsburg, PA where Attex was produced at one time, I might assume that Attex is a more common machine than the Max because I live there so to say, right near where they are made and where there would be more of a concentration of that machine. I have talked to guys that call their Attex, "a Max", and others called their Attex "6 wheel Hustler type vehicle."

The reason the number of T-20 transmissions out there is larger than the amount of Argos is because the T-20 was also in so many different makes and models of AATVs over the years including Max of course, Hustler, Attex, Swamp Fox, Sears, Camel, Tomcat, Vamoose, Starcraft, and the Chaparral. Some of these companies were in business for many years and sold many T-20 equipped machines. The T-20 was also used in industrial applications such as the Hustler WingIt sprayer which was used in rice fields and other wetland areas.

[rdr]

Argos are the most popular AATV and have been for the longest time. Possible because I grew up in Ontario but from what I see evening my travels weather you guys thing Argos are good or not they are like the Coke a cola of this type of vehicle. Even when I went to Australia I got a tour on an Argo. It is the Kleenex Tissue of AATVs and has been for decades. One of the selling features of the Argo is the low impact it has on the environment. The T-20 rips up the grass and or its own tires when it turns. Argos have out sold all the other brands 10 fold. Max has been its only long term competitor.
When I see ads of any other brands they say it is like an Argo or an Argo type vehicle so others know what the hell it is

might be in canda but here i doin't think so . i love my max and would not have anything but a max..

[jerrynuss]

I don't see why the T-20 would do any more damage to grass than an Argo transmission. Both are braking to make the turn. The damage to the grass would be more due to tires used and how aggressive a person is turning.

[Robio_8x8]

More then Argo?

Argos are the most popular AATV and have been for the longest time. Possible because I grew up in Ontario but from what I see evening my travels weather you guys thing Argos are good or not they are like the Coke a cola of this type of vehicle. Even when I went to Australia I got a tour on an Argo. It is the Kleenex Tissue of AATVs and has been for decades. One of the selling features of the Argo is the low impact it has on the environment. The T-20 rips up the grass and or its own tires when it turns. Argos have out sold all the other brands 10 fold. Max has been its only long term competitor.
When I see ads of any other brands they say it is like an Argo or an Argo type vehicle so others know what the hell it is

[jpswift1]

The reason there are probably all of the threads on T-20s is due to the fact that there have been so many of these units sold since 1969. So many more than the Argos produced over the years. Also the T-20 came in many different machines, therefore if there are more machines that had the T-20 then there are going to be more units out there. Over many years the seals will become worn and leak slowly. Mike is absolutely right, it is not a design flaw what so ever. They are cheap and easy to repair. It is just routine maintainence......every mechanical piece of equipment will need it at somepoint. The other thing that sometimes happens is the little shifter pin can break if you shift too hard. I never had it happen in all of the machines I've owned over the years, but it can happen. Again, a very quick, easy, inexpensive repair. I've taken many T-20s apart that were 35+ years old and they are still like brand new inside. Borg Warner must have spent lots of money on the R&D of them, and they are certainly built well since they have been relatively unchanged for this long.

[Mike]

The main problem with the T20 is leaking seals. After years of sitting without lubrication the seals, especially the plunger seals will dry out and start to leak. If you don't check the fluid when this starts happening and keep it at the proper level then that's when damage is done. So I would say that it's more of a lack of maintenance than a flawed design that usually causes failure.

I think when your dealer said that you have a two speed auto trans he meant that you can choose between high or low gear. The automatic comes into play when you throw in the variable speed clutches.

[RKlingborg]

ok I'm trying to figure this out, If the MAX t20 transmision why is there so meny how to fix the t20 threads? and why would ya make a trans
that cuts the power to the wheels that are on the inside of the turn, must be so that vehical can turn easyer. So fare ever time i hit a sand bar or tree stump under the water that side keeps going couseing the argo to pull to the side of the traction not the wheel on the free side to just spin. the dealer did tell me that the argo was a two speed auto trans but looking at the trans part assmbley manual I do not see eny plungers or clutch plates to shift the gear auto matic when it hit a shift point. Of course I havent figured out how it know when I'm going over 23 mph and will not let me go faster down hill.

[Roger S]

Jerry was talking about the maxII seating over the argo.. yes you can kick your feet out in front, but I found that posture put all the bump on my behind. Then if I pulled my feet up under me, the short seat to floor distance had my knees up in the air. I guess a good solo seat would be comfortable. And a couple guys rebuilt their seat and backs with dense foam I found, that helped a lot.

The argo seating looks impossible when you look at it. But it has a more comfortable floor to seat height, I can stick my boots in the corners to brace and let my legs take some of the road shock, little that I have compared to any other machine. Also the argo dash should be padded, as your knees need to slide up against them sometimes.

I'm not saying I'll turn anyone down if they let me drive their max!! I had to take a spin in Brandon's II at the last ride just for fun, after pushing my argo around the tight trails all weekend.

[Robio_8x8]

Ok I was off on the terminology

I though open was all parts exposed not limited slip or posy

Really the Argo is a slip type? Maybe I should add left and right independent braking

[Mike]

The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

Robbie, open differential doesn't mean that the parts are exposed. It is a system that puts power to the wheels with the least resistance just like many automobiles. The opposite of open differential is a locked (or sometimes limited slip) differential where both sides get equal power.

If your Argo is stuck in the mud on one side and on solid ground on the other, without any input from you other than throttle, the tires in the mud would get all the power since they have the least resistance.

In the T20's case, it acts as two separate transmissions. You could apply power to either side that you choose.

there are of course other factors to consider but hopefully that explains it a little more?

[Robio_8x8]

Simple is somtimes better

The name of the argo system is "we may be owned by a gear and drive company, but this is the simplest thing we could cobble together"

Simplicity is sometimes the best and most reliable way to go


I am interested in that Hoot I saw on here. I wonder what they sell for

http://www.6x6world.com/forums/other-aatvs/1815-hoot-aatv.html

[jerrynuss]

Leg room in the Max II is more comfortable than the Argo or Max IV. It is not nose heavy and not as prone to do an endo as the six wheel front engine machine with hydraulic brakes.