When I started working on my Max project, I asked my dad about getting rid of chains and using the Gates carbon belts (ones that were about $300 a piece I think). He told me in the beginning of Mudd-Ox, they brought out an engineer and tested them on the 8x8. They instantly snapped. A Max is is lighter, but those belts are expensive and don't match the strength of chain.
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The cog style pulleys and belts have been around for a long time, and I know our 1960 and 61 year model Cub Cadet mowers use them for the deck.. Who knows if Recreatives tried using the cogged pulleys back then? As stated above, belts just can't really hold up to the stress that a chain can.. If anything, perhaps changing the design of the tensioners would be the best place to start on a Max II.. I don't know how often it is required to retension the chains on a Max IV that uses the idler sprocket design like my early Max II does, and I haven't been able to run mine yet to find out.. But I know that in the ag world, chains that go past the idler sprockets don't need adjusted very often.. To me, it seems like a less stressful, less wearing way to run the chains.
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Originally posted by Nick O. View PostWhen I started working on my Max project, I asked my dad about getting rid of chains and using the Gates carbon belts (ones that were about $300 a piece I think). He told me in the beginning of Mudd-Ox, they brought out an engineer and tested them on the 8x8. They instantly snapped. A Max is is lighter, but those belts are expensive and don't match the strength of chain.
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I don't know enough to say if it would or wouldn't work. What I do know is it sounds plausible, and these machines are pretty easy to take apart. That being said, you could always try it on your machine. Switch your sprockets to those cog things and order up some belts if you think the idea is that good. I know someone that spent a fortune on some crazy chain. It may have even been synthetic stuff, but he needed special sprockets too. I haven't heard any complaints about it from him, and he rides it hard! I'm sure if you spend enough money you can make anything bullet proof.l like to buy stuff and no I don't do payments!
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I was thinking like Nick had stated not feesable or designed for the shock load, while a dragster shocks them with stupid horse power the power is on then off and belt replaced. The shock and deshock in one direction may work well but both directions shock instantaneously should cause quick failure, all Bikes and the such have a gradual deceleration or free wheeling effect.
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Originally posted by amphibious drew View PostI don't know enough to say if it would or wouldn't work. What I do know is it sounds plausible, and these machines are pretty easy to take apart. That being said, you could always try it on your machine. Switch your sprockets to those cog things and order up some belts if you think the idea is that good. I know someone that spent a fortune on some crazy chain. It may have even been synthetic stuff, but he needed special sprockets too. I haven't heard any complaints about it from him, and he rides it hard! I'm sure if you spend enough money you can make anything bullet proof.
I agree that is possible and I say that since it has NOT been proved that it will not work with modern technology. I have been gathering parts and have every intention of finding if this will work. I haven't said much about actual plans because I've had too many family priorities of late with multiple family elders in the hospital, etc. Once that settles down then I'll post. Until then I'll continue to "talk" and gather info so I'm better informed on the subject. I know we have one guy that has an electric aatv that has belt drive using gates belts, so the idea is sound. I also know he currently only uses it on the t-20/drive pulley. I see no reason to believe it will not work. I know the new belts allow a pulley to be run much closer to a bearing than normally considered doable. This could allow pulleys bolted directly to the "end" of the axle. Yes that brings up other problems but it does leave the door open for a possible "retro" kit. I could be wrong...but that's part of tinkering, learning on the way.
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X2. I run a Blower motor and have broken a belt or two when the Huffer belches. Weak Link
All in all I am All for thinking outside the box but please excuse me but I think your trying to reinvent the wheel ? It is what it is ! Drive chains are the norm on these machines. Only other system tryed and true id Hyd system And there you have a Whole nother set of issues !!!
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Originally posted by wedge View PostX2. I run a Blower motor and have broken a belt or two when the Huffer belches. Weak Link
All in all I am All for thinking outside the box but please excuse me but I think your trying to reinvent the wheel ? It is what it is ! Drive chains are the norm on these machines. Only other system tryed and true id Hyd system And there you have a Whole nother set of issues !!!
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Originally posted by rcn11thacr View PostI'd like to know that there was a Granny Smiths apples to Granny Smith apples comparison with the proper sized belts that compare equally with chain. I can see the standard belts used on the carbon drive system not working (since they are for a bycicle) but to say "belts will not handle the stress" in these machines is just incorrect and not true. If a belt can handle the power a 10,000+ hp nhra dragster then one can be made to handle this. It may be that it's cost prohibitive (and I'd settle for that answer) but it can be done. The gates 14mmGT2 belt clearly shows in the charting that it will handle the stresses of our machines. Now they are over 500 each for the required length, but the company says it will work. These belts are also designed to handle the on off shock loads our machines produce. I'd just hope that muddox decided it was just to pricy to do and that Is why they didn't do it.
Matt
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