Muscateer out for a drive

[riotwarrior]

Ha, lunch break,

Here we have what I've got going on with trans mounts. As I had mentioned I welded the two pairs of upright portions together to drill them in the exact same spot, then I cut those apart and bolted them to the trans and set it in place checking, rechecking and rechecking chain alignment the whole time, as well I did test SECONDARY clutch clearance and wow...I'm golden as well as seat clearance...getting tight...means that's going to be warm; after all that I then tacked them in place.




beside old parts cut off, ya just a tad longer eh rofl


rear bars bolted to trans..




Front bars and rear bars in place...trans sitting there nicely


Getting close




Clutch is on and just sitting there for clearance testing...looks amazingly good with the amount I've created








Yup lots of clearance there


So that's today I've welded them up and they are cooling then a clean up with a grinder and some paint. Then I can Start working on the engine plate.

After some more measuring I've discovered I can actually lower the engine 1 1/2" down and still have clearance under it over the RH rear chain to rear axle. This is good news as it equates to a lower C of G.

As always thanks for looking

[riotwarrior]

Here we are and have my plate for engine kinda sorta figured out. The main thing I'm concerned with is alignment of clutches LEFT to RIGHT and with no angle or deflection from one to the other. I've had a significant issue previously with the trans and engine clutches not in correct alignment. NOT THIS TIME....I didn't build the last setup, just assembled it to a working functioning unit.



Here is where abouts it should be...close..


two cuts for oil pan hole and two to go, man I live having a plasma cutter it sure makes it easy to do this type of work


Hole cut and engine sitting on it out on the pallet


A lil bit of clearance forward and aft


Marking for a hole and slot assembly


Looks like that hole is cut right for alignment of clutch...I made a bit of room to slide side to side and get this set correctly


in place


different angle


This is my MASTER KEY....it's got my alignemnt specs I need to follow to have clutches function as intended


Taking a straight shot from SECONDARY clutch to the engine plate and create a line to align from/tp


So I've made some good progress today as can be seen. I've picked up some small shock or sway bar end links in red polyeurathane to act as dampners for engine vibration, and I hope that they work well for me.

I'll mount the plate up soon once I establish clearances and alignment..

Theme here....alignment and room to move to make things aligned!

Thanks for looking

[chris davison]

Nice fabrication and ideas, its nice to have a plasma cutter I do a little fabrication myself.

[riotwarrior]

Nice fabrication and ideas, its nice to have a plasma cutter I do a little fabrication myself.

Thank you!

[riotwarrior]

My goodness I just MAY make car show sort of if this keeps up! Most likely would not have an exhaust ROFL no time to fab one but eh...on trailer off trailer twice...ya I can handle that without exhaust!

SO yesterday was not much work due to a short hike trip to the falls, and then lunch and back home with Pastor Jason, which is OK cause we planned hike for long time and never managed to getterdun...so we did!

Came home got some stuff done on six wheeler, test fit plate on engine and installed..hmm...needs more work, ok tomorrow.

Also had to fab up a 3/16" spacer for the secondary clutch, as it's designed for a 0.98" wide belt vs the 1.18" I use.

Gotta love a plasma cutter, I first drilled a 1" hole then psuedo centered the hub and ground it out to fit then cut it out of the plate shown here




Hmm..epoxy it in place and it's set for now!


Plates first fit


1"x2" rectangular tubing I"m pointing to here are the spacers I'll weld in place soon


Pre drilled holes for plate, I can take cotton soaked in paint and press it up against hole to mark plate when it's finally located


Poly bushings for NVH noise vibration harshness, to isolate the plate and engine a bit


Crap...had to redux the RIGHT side mounts ...no worries just mount to outside and vertical at 1" high, so here is how it is


Close ups




Thanks to Rose who drove to Kvillage and picked up 4 1/2" x 1" bolts, I'll get some grade 8 fine threads later but this is all about FITTING so these will suffice.

Plate is painted and fits nice to bottom of the engine eh?


Once I dropped the engine down in place I had to center it properly aligning the two clutches...there is supposed to be 0.240" offset from inside lip of secondary to inside lip of primary, as you can see by this image of my guide.


So I have the plate on the welded in rectangular tubing, and I can move it around a bit quite easy. I've got to align the clutches as indicated above. So I took some square tubing and clamped it to my primary inside edge, then kept moving engine a weeee bit at a time until I had the alignment I needed on both the forward and rear edge of secondary!




Old belt for testing fit...


As you can see it's right on the mark. I managed to get the clearances to 0.241" front and rear of my secondary with this setup.

This alignment was of great concern and a lot of work however in the end I'm thinking this will pay off with better clutch response and belt life as well as cooler running clutches and belt.

Tomorrow I'll take some YELLOW paint and spray cotton balls and then stuff them in the rectangular tubing and press up to the hold I drilled to mark the plates four mounting holes.

Those holes then get drilled to about 7/8" and I can sandwich the poly bushings between the rectangular tubing and plate and then on top side of plate giving me some cushion and vibration isolation for the engine.

That leaves some electrical, and some fuel lines...woo hoo...Oh ya, started to make power cables for the front winch too that will clean up the front end!

Thanks for looking!

[riotwarrior]

This morning go out, and start and Brian says scribe the marks for holes..OK I sharpened a nail and bent it 90 deg then marked the holes...thankfully I had painted the plate the day before! Seemed like a simple method instead of marking with paint....

Thus we center punched and then I drilled the first set of holes!


Lines up nice


Next came enlarging the holes so the poly bushings would fit ...first drilled larger.. IF you look close you notice I cleaned up the edges of the plate too and trimmed a bit off the LEFT edge compared to the previous shot!


My drill bits where not large enough so I used the die grinder and enlarged them slowly till the bushing would fit snug in the hole




The step on the bushing holds it in the plate




Ahhh...this is starting to look a lot like it's supposed to, notice the old soft rubber bushings the old plate used.




The old tops from the previous rubber bushings seem to fit...hmmm


Ahh...the lift I have been using to put it in and take it out..repeat as needed rofl


So this is where I'm at and doing lunch, back at it in a while

Should get some new 1/2"x 1 1/2" grade 8 fine thread bolts, and lock nuts and flat washers to bolt engine to plate.

I may make some straps and tack the bolts to straps up from bottom to make it so I only need one wrench to make adjustments ha ha ha...think of service in field right!

Thanks for looking!

[riotwarrior]

Darn, ran into a snag, I attempted to install my current belt a Dayco HPX 2213 and I found out that my FRONT LEFT plate mount bolt and poly bushing/bolt rub the belt quite badly. Lucky for me I left enough space on the plate and the 1x2 rectangular tubing 3" long for another hole. Thus I had to cut a notch out of the corner and redrill my mounting hole for the engine's plate.

No problem took about 20 minutes for the Redux and it fits nice. I could have lifted engine up off mounting plate with 7/8" thick UHMW plate that's floating around the shop however I felt the notch method was the best!

I gave James a ring and asked about some longer belts he said come on down and check out my belts. So I grabbed three belts to see which seems to be best. His suggestion was the longer the belt the better for cooling, makes sense to me!

Even with the longest belt it appears there is some room on the slots for more adjustment. However I've got to affix the engine to the plate and then the plate to chassis to determine if this is true once bolts are in place.

So plate as it was origninally


NOW as I've notched the one corner


Ahhh....yes, much better I must say!




Overhead view...hmmm...nice




Starting to look like this was designed for it originally eh?


Lots of room to move engine forward


And as you can see here there appears to be some room to move it rearward too.


Thus I've got this about as good as I can now, I ordered all new grade 8 hardware and tri lock nuts to hold the engine plate to chassis and the engine to the plate.

As I mentioned I may just make an angle iron bar under the plate that the bolts pass up through, that will support the engine some and I can weld bolts too so I don't have to use a tool to hold them to make adjustments just loosen the nuts on top side! Ya, probably will make bar as once it's in I don't want to remove it till oil change time.

The plan is a couple of valves installed for draining oil and coolant...oh wait, there is a coolant one already...crap..I just need a hose I can use my vacuum tool to suck out old coolant then, OK just one valve for oil then LOL

Best get back at it, so later

Thanks for looking

[Mike]

Nice work. I have enjoyed following your build. On your motor mount, I went through similar issues with a cutout needed for my belt. I made a recess for the belt to start with but after it was installed in the machine and started up, I was surprised at how much the belt oscillated when revving the motor. As the RPM changed, the belt caught up with itself and would flex more than I expected. Because of that, I had to pull the engine mount back out and extend the recess for the belt again.

I just wanted to mention that as something to watch when you start up. My belt was much longer than your belt so I'm sure that causes more deflection but your belt is still close to the mount.

[riotwarrior]

Nice work. I have enjoyed following your build. On your motor mount, I went through similar issues with a cutout needed for my belt. I made a recess for the belt to start with but after it was installed in the machine and started up, I was surprised at how much the belt oscillated when revving the motor. As the RPM changed, the belt caught up with itself and would flex more than I expected. Because of that, I had to pull the engine mount back out and extend the recess for the belt again.

I just wanted to mention that as something to watch when you start up. My belt was much longer than your belt so I'm sure that causes more deflection but your belt is still close to the mount.

Mike thanks!

The floppy belt syndrome when running is a concern and I will contend with it if it's a problem however as you said your unit uses a much longer belt. That oscillation is something to contend with when and if it happens.

As I've mentioned previously in the build I can move the engine up 7/8" thus increasing clearance even further.

Here are the angle iron engine plate mounting bolt setups as I described, ya I decided to build them...

Decided to continue on, of course it was not hard seeing that I had nothing to do except drink beer and do some more silly fab work.

Thus after a few good solid beers...... Howe Sound Brewery's IPA called Devil's Elbow....Ya

We have, here my early evening's going's on.

Yuppers looks wide enough for me


Hmmm...appears to fit as planned..ya ha ..


Ahh...yes, slight chamfer on one edge to fit the angle iron more smoothly



Yuppers fits nice


K so two mounts ready to weld...ah, tomorrow another day for sure!


These once welded up will make belt changes/adjustment so much simpler for sure. Having to only use one tool will be instrumental with making this unit trail serviceable.

Thanks for looking

Al

[riotwarrior]

Today, picked up for project...

4 Litres of 15/40 diesel oil
(cough) Fram oil filter ....better than none, will change soon again due to quick run/flush I am doing to get this going
8' of Tygon fuel line to make return line
Seadog bilge pump switch...need two of the nice bilge pumps I saw here in another thread...now to find it ROFL.
Briggs and Stratton engine oil cooler
Quality Drive systems, weights and springs for primary clutch, lowering it too 1000 - 1100 RPM engagement
DB Electrical starter motor for Kubota!

So that was my morning, now to get out and continue on with the engine mount and then a few more tid bits, like fuel pump and return lines etc.

Thanks for looking

[riotwarrior]

Darn, lost quite a bit of time yesterday having to go pick up parts from US, however it's worth it.

I"m up very early for coffee and with in a couple hours I may be able to have the unit under it's own power if lucky, then CAR show...for the kids, they love it and getting pics taken etc.

So here is what happened yesterday, soaked the engine down really well with Super Clean straight, that stuff is awesome for cutting grease. Then I got it out on the engine crane and really washed it down well.

Rolled it back into shop, set it into the wood mock up frame and pushed it out of the way.

Rolled out the tub, removed the drain plugs, soaked it down and steamed out the tub something fierce! Let it drain and then rolled it into shop and wiped out some excess H2O.

Painted engine, mounted the plate, installed engine, installed starter, installed fuel pump. Tested starter turning over engine, wow that baby spins like a MOFO compared to that old hunk of a unit.

I've got two chains to cut to length, thread a bolt down a bit further and cut to length, add fuel, run jumper wires for fuel pump, and starter button and this unit will be under it's own power today.

Tub cleaned up,




Ahh....Khaki goodness





mounting bolt bars..craptastic welds cause of ****ty old rods



Plate all in and tightened in place


Ahh...home stretch coming along...



Not a great deal of clearance and I may swap out that washer...we will see???


Ahh...looking a lot like it's original ...


So after a weee. bit of some quick n dirty stuff I'll have it fired today I hope and running under it's own power.

Thanks for looking

Al

[rodp]

Coming along nicely. If you only have old welding rods that have been left about in the workshop put them in the oven for a couple of hours before using them. Medium heat for 2 hours should transform them.

[Dozerlarry]

I have an old refrigerator with a 40 watt light bulb mounted in it that stays on all the time. Will keep your welding rods hot and dry from now on. you can probably still get incandescent bulbs in Canada. These nitwits down here have banned them. I'll have to find some kind of heat strip when my supply is used up.

[rodp]

Ha ha, they tried to ban them here but everyone ignored it and carried on using them. There was a little lull in supply for a while but now they're back in full supply, probably from China

[riotwarrior]

Thanks guys, and ya but wife don't like me baking paint in oven and when it's 100 out we don't turn that beast on!

Man I worked for a while but got it running, it's leaking from a unit IP in the Bosch K type mini pump, but it does run. Thus I'm sure that I can hopefully find or get seals for the Unit IP's

Totally different machine now compared to gasser, and tons of torque, I'm almost scared something will break LOL

So from a quick running video I'll post after, bolt in seat and drive out of shop onto trailer down to car show, off and into show...I did OK.

At the show







Hmm..parked beside an elephant no less



This...THIS is why I wanted to get it there...the kids love this thing!






Here is an old gas powered Maytag ringer!



Love this Willey's



It was a fantastic day, I met a fellow locally who has an 8x Argo and may have some smaller tyres I can get for use with tracks!

Also at the end when they do the 50/50 draw and all the awards for various categories, I had hoped I would get a win with the Special Interest catagory but same guy as last year won...so no worries, maybe next year.

However I did score at the show, I got this nice tool box as an entrants door prize!


I had a fantastic day, kids crawled all over around and in it. That's what it's about for me seeing them smile and OMG I so want one of these this would be so much fun

Well guys I'm tired, and off to shower...

Thanks for looking!