A Stock racers

[Don]

You're all a bunch of camists!!!

That's just not so, George. We don't mind mingling with four-strokes as long as they can't get in front of us.

[whipper-ag]

[Robphibious]

Sometimes I put on the powder puff heat and watch it with kellyphibious just to prove she isn't the only woman out there cool enough to appreciate our awesome past time. I'm very lucky my wife loves the aatv, getting one was actually her idea when I was considering something 4 wheeled, faster, and less capable.

The past few years have been pretty lenient as we're still getting more competitive.

Stock: single carb, air cooled
Mod: twin carb, liquid cooled
Junior: under 18
PeeWee: under 12?

And the rest are essentially their title: Springer, 4-stroke, free for all, and over 50.

[countrybumpkin]

Ya Don,
I think we should get the gang together at the Freedom race and hash out some ground rules and classes if this takes off like I think it will. To start out I would think we could mix 4 stroke and 2 stroke together where the hp is equivalent until the 4 strokes get enough numbers to support there own classes. The main thing is to make it fair so everyone has the chance to win and to get some specs out there so people know what and how to set up their machines.

[jerseybigfoot]

the only NATV rule for 4 strokes was a .6 displacement rule. I did see a few 4 stroke scramblers race but they were not competitive. I think mixing the A 2 stroke and 4 stroke stock together would work as well as B stock . It would bring out an additional opportunity to race and have some competition. I think consolidating the lower classes just make sense to build up the sport.
4 stroke stock would use the .6 rule and require stock carbs and any exhaust. A healthy 290 cc 2 stroke should make at least 20HP which would put in in the same range of a clone 420 cc 4 stroke with a rev kit.

[LittleG]

I don't know if there are any rules established as yet, but I'm good with it

If we 're going to mix things up, perhaps we should hew out some ground rules. Dave??

Yes Don there is going to be new rules put out this year for next. Season we are currently working on this I plan on having it on the site by December so that we have enough time to get ready for 2016 we are currently trying to hash out the springer class engine size issue but once that is done the rest will be easy

[Don]

Yes Don there is going to be new rules put out this year for next. Season we are currently working on this I plan on having it on the site by December so that we have enough time to get ready for 2016 we are currently trying to hash out the springer class engine size issue but once that is done the rest will be easy

There's going to be a limit on engine size for Supermod (springer)?

[LittleG]

Well we are discussing it there might be two springer classes one for us old timers with 440 's and 500's and then the new outlaw class for the big blocks 700 to 1000 cc or we will put a cap on the engine size this is the issue on the table at the moment.

[whipper-ag]

[Don]

LOL I remember the last time we raced, I let you drive the Scorpion
Springer with the G50B that you built,and I was in the Spider with my Al Hodge eagle 4
small block and you couldn't keep up with me. When we got back to the pits you said QUOTE WOW!
I couldn't catch you. :

All true, but cubic inch to cubic inch and dollar to dollar, not a real fair race. This same 2-stroke/4-stroke argument has been had by lots of folks on lots of sites over the past few years with widely varying results. I guess the only way to finally finish it is for you to make the trip out in June and run Supermod. I'll even challenge you with an un-sprung machine in the geezer race! It'll be great to see you guys!

I like it here in the 70s. Don't make me come back.

[jerseybigfoot]

Well we are discussing it there might be two springer classes one for us old timers with 440 's and 500's and then the new outlaw class for the big blocks 700 to 1000 cc or we will put a cap on the engine size this is the issue on the table at the moment.

I assume you mean 700-1000 cc 2 stroke? I think 100+ hp in and old school springer may exceed a few design limitations. I can think of maybe 10 failures where you could not stop or slow down. Wonder how much higher Buds Springer would have flown with 1000 cc's I think you are talking a whole new breed of machine here. Sounds Fun.

[Joe H]

the only NATV rule for 4 strokes was a .6 displacement rule. I did see a few 4 stroke scramblers race but they were not competitive. I think mixing the A 2 stroke and 4 stroke stock together would work as well as B stock . It would bring out an additional opportunity to race and have some competition. I think consolidating the lower classes just make sense to build up the sport.
4 stroke stock would use the .6 rule and require stock carbs and any exhaust. A healthy 290 cc 2 stroke should make at least 20HP which would put in in the same range of a clone 420 cc 4 stroke with a rev kit.

So my racer with a 292 twin would be considered B stock?

[LittleG]

I assume you mean 700-1000 cc 2 stroke? I think 100+ hp in and old school springer may exceed a few design limitations. I can think of maybe 10 failures where you could not stop or slow down. Wonder how much higher Buds Springer would have flown with 1000 cc's I think you are talking a whole new breed of machine here. Sounds Fun.

Yes we are talking two strokes Matt really opened up a can of worms with the stealth fighter jet i mean the streak that he brought to latrobe he finished three quarters of a track ahead of my machine and. Bumpkin 2 and with more springers being built this winter the talk of big engines are easy available from any sled these days we need to figure it out. I personally don't feel like doing a total restructure to just upgrade my engine and the other old springers feel the same way

[LittleG]

So my racer with a 292 twin would be considered B stock?

Joe I. Just don't know what to dowith that thing your running good with 500's

[Joe H]

Joe I. Just don't know what to dowith that thing your running good with 500's

That is that all because of Dirty Uncle Don my clutch guy. The only thing I can think to do with it is drive it like a rental ! Right Whip?