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    Hi guys this thread is to document the prepping of a geo metro engine (Also called a G-10, Suzuki swift, spirit engine, but it is an Aluminum 3 cylinder 1.0L) for insertion into my 80s I/C Argo, but should be useful for all others, max hustler or any other that uses CVT style clutches. Or if you happen to find a AATV that has no engine, i dont see why this would not work. It is simply a matter of building moter mounts to align the clutches and graft the engine in. When you boil it all down, we have a metal frame, plastic floating tub and 6 or 8 axels. It would be super exciting to someone try this on a T-20 machine.

    The car itself is a 1993 Geo metro, manual transmission and Throttle Body Injection (pre OBD II starting in 1996 meaning less sensors to deal with). I found it at a junk yard for 300 USD.

    The first task is to get it running. It took me a day soaking the cylinders down to free it up. It does not have a fuel tank or fuel pump, so tomorrow i should have a fuel pump in hand. The G-10 TBI requires 30 PSI at 45 GPH. The engine has a regulator and return line to regulate manifold pressure to about 20 PSI. My fuel pump is good from 20 to 70 PSI at 45 Gallons Per hour, cost, $130.

    oil and filter: 26 dollars.

    Cold hard cash so far, $456 (Im going to keep track so see how expensive it is hope the wife dosent find this thread )

    oh, and a Polaris drive and driven clutch P-85 style was $120 from a 800 or 700 RMK, newer liberty engine.... 99 to 2005 i believe any clutch would work i just don't want to have to buy another clutch puller. Further more, the P-85 clutches are used on Polaris 4 wheelers and side by sides. I am going to try to simulate the weights and springs of a Polaris RZR, while the parts will not swap, the spring tensions and weights will give me a starting line. The 1.0 L Polaris engine and the 1.0L suzuki/chebbie Engine have very similar torque, hp and RPM curves. I am going to start out with a blue spring and 35 gram weights on the drive, and crank the driven way up.

    So really $576 spent on the geo engine project so far. I imagine i will change the timing belt and tensioner pulley and water pump, maybe take the radiator in to be cleaned. I hope to hear it run tomorrow 50 HP at 6000 RPM here i come and if that isn't enough, some day i can cam it and change the valves and make a 100 HP.
    Last edited by spookum; 05-31-2012, 04:08 PM.
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    85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

    78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

    ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

  • #2
    Now this is cool! I see you've done your homework on this and I'll certainly be watching this build. Good luck with it!
    "Looks like you have a problem with your 4 wheeler........you're missin' two wheels there"
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    • #3
      Did it free up ok and have compression? Going to be a couple weeks before I get back to work on Polaris crank. Need to strip clutch down to just the plate that mounts to crank. Sugery for me on Wednesday, fly home as soon as doc will let me. Thanks for posting now I have more to read.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jpswift1 View Post
        Now this is cool! I see you've done your homework on this and I'll certainly be watching this build. Good luck with it!
        Please, please please, one and all be very critical with questions. I want anyone with ANY kind of mechaincal ability and i mean anyone that is willing to grab a hand full of wrenches and go at it, be able to follow this build. The only way that can happen is for old and new hands like you JP swift, NCT rock dock and even (especialy) the newbies ask as many questions as you can. After this is done, i want to make into a manual, and the only way i can do that is have people help me!
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        85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

        78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

        ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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        • #5
          Originally posted by msafi65 View Post
          Did it free up ok and have compression? Going to be a couple weeks before I get back to work on Polaris crank. Need to strip clutch down to just the plate that mounts to crank. Sugery for me on Wednesday, fly home as soon as doc will let me. Thanks for posting now I have more to read.
          Well god bless and i hope i can keep you amused. I hate to pick your brain when you should be resting, but dont you mean strip the engine down to the plate (most likely the flex plate aka starter plate that is bolted to the crank? i want to mock it up before i start on the crank. if the clutch has too much ofset the argo may list to one side in the water, and it will make the wife mad if she has to climb on top of me to keep from sinking!

          The engine turned over easy enough after soaking over nite with a full can of PB Blaster in cylenders. It may not have been needed, but better than scoring a cylender. Hopefly this thread wont include a TOTAL engine rebuld (but it would be funny to have a redirect from the TEAM SWIFT forums and the suzuki forums... they would die LOL) The guy i bought the cluthes from has evey weight and spring known to man. He said come on back when it is done, and he will help tune the clutches free of charge... i love this small big town!


          Get well soon!
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          85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

          78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

          ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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          • #6
            This may.help

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cfherrman View Post
              This link is the insperation for this build. It proves the fact that it can be done! I know if i get hung up watching that one video of how everything is arranged will be very help full. One major difference is that that G-10 engine is carberated while the one im trying to do TBI. Also, the body on my argo is not as deep as the conquest's, so i will have to modify stuff to fit. Thanks for posting that link cfherrman, anyone finding this thread can go watch videos of a geo metro powered argo with tracks in action!
              Alaska floating atvs group on face book. Fixing help and trail rides!!!!!


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              85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

              78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

              ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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              • #8
                So i installed the NAPA fuel pump part number P5000, along with a return line. Got 10 feet of high pressure gas line, that was sixty bucks! a high flow filter and a few brass fittings. And ten feet of 1/4 inch fuel line for the return line. I stuffed them into a new can of gas. It tried to start but it didnt.... So i decided to get real, and run a compression test.... 180 175 175 PSI.... So compressio6n was not the problem. It seemed like a problem with the electrical. So i changed the plugs (9 dollars) and plug wires (new set laying around for a V-6 i sold before i could use them). Still it TRIED to start but no joy. So i pulled the cap and rotor, and low and behold, the terminals were so coroded it FLAKED off when i scrapped it clean with my knife.

                Now it starts, and runs, but kind of stumbles a little bit. Sure a general tune up will fix that...
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                85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

                78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

                ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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                • #9
                  That's great compression for that 3 banger. I assume we will have to set drive clutch as close as possible to the engine???

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                  • #10
                    Wow!!, Can't wait until its all put together. 50hp @ 6000 rpm is an Adrenaline Jumper,, for sure. You gotta take some pics, we are all interested in this build!!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spookum View Post
                      the terminals were so coroded it FLAKED off when i scrapped it clean with my knife.

                      Now it starts, and runs, but kind of stumbles a little bit. Sure a general tune up will fix that...
                      Originally posted by spookum View Post
                      180 175 175 PSI.
                      Sounds like sticky valves or weak springs.....bone yard aluminum engines can get nasty inside if they sit outside too long. Lol.
                      Last edited by Bazooo guy; 06-01-2012, 12:10 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by msafi65 View Post
                        That's great compression for that 3 banger. I assume we will have to set drive clutch as close as possible to the engine???
                        Yah, it will have to be close, as the further it sticks out the more stress it will have on the engine block. But i think 1/4 inch or there aboiuts should be good!

                        Originally posted by fmints
                        Wow!!, Can't wait until its all put together. 50hp @ 6000 rpm is an Adrenaline Jumper, for sure. You gotta take some pics, we are all interested in this build!!
                        I am going to document it the best i can for sure. If you really want to go crazy, you can buy a diffrent head and cam for the engine and EASILY make 100 HP for just like 400 dollars in parts.... But i dont think i know of any AATV that has a plastic tub that could handle that kind oh HP... but oh my would it be fun to beat the crap out of a RZR on a hill climb....

                        Originally posted by Bazoo guy
                        Sounds like sticky valves or weak springs.....bone yard aluminum engines can get nasty inside if they sit outside too long. Lol.
                        nasty? oh yah she was seized when i first got her. Took 2 days, 1 can of PB blaster down the cylinders to get freed up. Got a can of SEA FOAM mixed in with 1 gallon of gas. with luck at all that will help clean it up some. In other doom and gloom the G-10 engines are kind of legendary for requiring an exhaust valve job at 100k to 150K miles.

                        Off to wire in the fuel pump correctly, it should be the pink wire off the relay, and an oil change. Cap and rotor was 40 bucks.... wow.
                        Alaska floating atvs group on face book. Fixing help and trail rides!!!!!


                        https://www.facebook.com/groups/alaska.AATVs/



                        85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

                        78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

                        ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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                        • #13
                          Well that fixed the old girl right up. Dumped the oil and it smelt more like PB blaster than motor oil.

                          Also Wired in the Fuel pump properly. Cut the pink wire from the fuel relay, so the engine could actually controlled fuel delivery. I think it was flooding having it wired up all the time.

                          And what i learned: Thin PB oil makes the moter tick and having the fuel pump wired in correctly with a good cap and rotor makes the hesitation go away. So me, being me, I took it down the block like i was Vin Diesel From the Fast And the Furious. No hesitations, just pulled hard and revved like it should. Dont think i could beat a four wheeler, but with that much power in a 2000 LB car, imagine what it will feel like in a 1000 Lb argo!

                          Noticed that the front right CV joint his TOAST it goes WHAM WHAM WHAM driving down the road... i was wondering how it found its way to a junk yard.

                          Page 39 of 6X6 world G-10 manualshows the party im going to have. And then there is the destruction of the factory wiring harness, as i have to drag it all out of the car and put it up under the hood, and then cutting wires i think i dont need. And see if it runs still....







                          Grr... the resolution sucks... here is the link to see them in the gallery: Wiring Harness High Res
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                          Last edited by spookum; 06-02-2012, 01:05 PM.
                          Alaska floating atvs group on face book. Fixing help and trail rides!!!!!


                          https://www.facebook.com/groups/alaska.AATVs/



                          85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

                          78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

                          ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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                          • #14
                            Just incase somone is paranoid of the metro engine over heating (it is all alumanums so that would be a no-no) The part number for the HUGE radiator off of some models is CU1182... just run a google search and it will pop up.

                            another idea is an oil cooler made out of an automatic transmission cooler.
                            Alaska floating atvs group on face book. Fixing help and trail rides!!!!!


                            https://www.facebook.com/groups/alaska.AATVs/



                            85ish Argo 8x8 geo metro engine, hdi axles and 3 bearings per axle.

                            78 ford bronco... 460 lockers.... "Alaskan tow vehicle"

                            ATV = Alaska Terain Vehicle

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                            • #15
                              Dont foget about heater cores from cars

                              Question, did you see that thread before i posted it?

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