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  • #16
    Originally posted by plott hound View Post
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    so here we go again.installed the spacers on the tracks and inflated corner tires to 6psi.measured the track sag and got 2.5" to 3",perfect I thought.went for a ride all was good until I went down a snow covered hill to the lake,spun the sucker around and the slipping started.walked home and got truck to pull argo up the hill.then put argo back into garage walked back and got my truck.looks like I'm gonna have to pull the track spacers back out and see what that's like.heres a couple of pictures.

    I like that lift fox,where did you buy it?
    K&L supply, plott,I am very happy with this so far,makes life so much easier to work on.Can't remember if the side panels where an option or part of the deal,but with the side panels you can drive up on the lift,or take them off and drive over it, to take tires off etc.Runs about 1,500.00.

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    • #17
      if you want to save $$, just cut a couple 2x6's slightly longer than the width of your lower tub/skid-plate. Place them horizontally under machine (one in front, one in rear) to span from frame-rail to frame-rail. A couple pumps on a floor jack and you're set. I just block up end and use the jack to hold the other end unless I have a lot of work to do - then I'll block up both sides. Distributes the machine weight on the frame w/o any pressure points on the plastic. Takes a few seconds and you're up in the air. Everything is easier (especially when it comes to chains) if the tires aren't touching.

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      • #18
        Motorcycle Lift Table, 1000 Lb. Capacity



        I've been looking at these for a while. Haven't bought one yet.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by liflod View Post
          Motorcycle Lift Table, 1000 Lb. Capacity



          I've been looking at these for a while. Haven't bought one yet.
          is 1000lbs capacity enough for an argo?

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          • #20
            so I pulled the spacers out of each track and aired the corner tires up tp 6lbs each.tracks look to have about 1.5" of sag and that's as good as its gonna get.went back to same hill that I got stuck on yesterday and never had any slippage.took a nice long tour up through the hardwoods without an issue.only felt a little slippage once while turning other then that everything feels good.sees to have a little more power and it turns better with the bigger tires in the center.next test will be when I plow,thats when I noticed the slippage before.i suppose I can air up to 7lbs on the corners if its an issue.

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            • #21
              Often wondered how a machine would fare with tuners only on axle 3.
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              My new beer holder spilled some on the trails - in it's hair and down it's throat.
              Joe Camel never does that.

              Advice is free, it's the application that costs.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ARGOJIM View Post
                Often wondered how a machine would fare with tuners only on axle 3.
                probably better then on axle 1 and 4.lol

                maybe if the weather is crappy on the weekend I will pull the tracks again and we will find out.

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                • #23
                  The reason it was always pondered was a front flat which will render the machine all but useless, even to get out of the tracks (try it if your ambitious as it unsold a set of tuners). The 2nd axle carries near as much weight as the first so in certain terrain situations, with the raised axles on the ends, could cause track slip.
                  The wind up should be eased by the third freewheeling?
                  ?
                  sigpic

                  My new beer holder spilled some on the trails - in it's hair and down it's throat.
                  Joe Camel never does that.

                  Advice is free, it's the application that costs.

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                  • #24
                    Good to hear, plott hound,sounds like your on the right track......

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by plott hound View Post
                      is 1000lbs capacity enough for an argo?
                      I don't think so. The shipping weight for a frontier 6x6 is 880lbs. Now add winch tracks etc. and you will be over very easily.You more than likely won't even get an 8x8 up in the air.Also,the width has to be right,along with the height of the collapsed lift to get a unit up and over the lift.My K&L lift is rated for 1,700lbs,but it just barely gets a heavy XTI off the ground
                      I didn't plan on spending a lot for a lift,but i'm glad i did,as now im covered for most any application.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Fox Valley Argo Sales View Post
                        Good to hear, plott hound,sounds like your on the right track......

                        lol literaly bud.tomorrow is supposed to be rainy and warm so I will give those track tuners a good work out and see if I can make them slip.

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                        • #27
                          Plott,

                          You may want to play with increasing the rear tire pressure to help it touch the ground a bit better (=better traction for the rear tire in track) due to the banana frame of the HDIs and front heaviness of Argos on general. You can play with decreasing the front to offset the track tension if you think it may be getting too tight.

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                          • #28
                            a rubber track has to be tight to reliably perform under load in some conditions. Doesn't matter if all 8 tires are driving or only the (4) corners are driving. If the track is loose, even a little bit, and you encounter loaded situations (especially if the inside surface is slicked up a bit), you'll have a tendency to slip the tires and will fail to drive the track. Sometimes it's intermittent and can be overcome by using momentum and feathering of the throttle, other times not so much.
                            Argo Rubber Track has to be tight in bad conditions. That's the most critical...and that you keep all (4) corners driving.
                            Other times, the extra load required to slip the center axles is significant, and the benefit of the tuners is pretty huge. Track tension on a rubber track is paramount.
                            All track styles have different traits.

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                            • #29
                              well after a few days of spring like conditions here our snow is pretty much gonzo.i did take a run this afternoon up through the hardwoods for an hour or so.climbed a few logs with no slippage machine seems to drive well without altering my tire preasure.only thing I noticed was a bit of chain chatter from the right side.checked the chains and they seem real tight.would a tight track cause the chains to be tight or is it normal to have tight chains when using tracks?never much if any chain noise without the tuners and having indexed the tires.

                              cheers

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                              • #30
                                the past 24 hours has left us with some real heavy wet snow followed by freezing rain.put the plow back on the argo after work to test the tracks out.absolutely no tire slippage in the tracks,lots of grunt pushing that heavy juicy snow around.however when backing up I'm getting chain windup in the 2 rear chains.bang bang sound at about every rotation that was not there before.would front tires larger then the rears cause this?hate to pull the tracks off again because next time I do the tuners are coming off.

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